Tulwar hilt with kora type blade

shayde78 · 23rd November 2023, 03:24 PM

Great thread, Jim!

I stumbled across this article that briefly references the Nepal influence on the region. The article also explores metal-hilted kukri and some kora in general, providing many examples with provenance.

I'm curious to get everyone's thoughts

https://sirkukri.blogspot.com/2014/1...uri-kukri.html

Jim McDougall · 23rd November 2023, 04:20 PM

Thank you so much Shayde! and what an amazing article you linked!
There is ALWAYS so much more to learn, and in the 25 years Ive been here I have never stopped learning. While through research and discussions Ive gained a great core of knowledge, mostly in knowing where to look for things, I feel I have barely scratched the surface.

I loved the closing 'mission' statement,
"...to share a passion and knowledge,to learn and educate, encourage and inspire, appreciate and serve"

I honestly believe those words are pretty much the mantra here through the shared knowledge and research of the many specialized members, who openly and willingly share their findings in great discussions.

Onward we go,
As always................more research to be done !

Thank you again!
Jim

Mercenary · 2nd December 2023, 09:44 AM

I am sorry for Google translate:
"...given that Nepal was cut off from normal cultural connections with the rest of India in the early 13th century by the Muslim invasion of Bengal and Bihar, it can be assumed that by the time of the extensive Muslim conquests this form of hilt was already widespread throughout culturally and religiously unified India. Returning to Nepalese sculpture, it should be noted that during the Muslim conquest of Bihar and Bengal at the beginning of the 13th century, as a result of the total extermination of Hindus and especially Brahmins, the latter fled to Nepal in such numbers that for a time they began to be perceived as a separate ethnic group. Even if by this time Nepal did not have the weapons typical of Northern India of that period, as a result of these events they should have appeared there. There is a very interesting and characteristic analogy here. At the end of the 18th century, a rebellion known as the rebellion of sannyasins and fakirs broke out in Bihar and Bengal against the oppression of the British administration. After the suppression of the uprising, the ascetics went to Nepal, settled there and also began to be perceived as a separate caste. As a result, Nepal ended up with so many weapons of Indian origin from the 17th and 18th centuries that this circumstance still puzzles researchers.
This assumption can also be confirmed by illustrations to the Buddhist treatise “Astasahasrika Prajnaparamita” (“Eight Thousand Prajnaparamita”), created in Bihar or Bengal at the end of the 12th century and transferred to Nepal at the beginning of the 13th century, apparently also as a result of the above events..."

Mercenary · 2nd December 2023, 09:47 AM

Astasahasrika Prajnaparamita

Mercenary · 2nd December 2023, 09:50 AM

Simhanadalokeshvara, Nepal, 14-15 AC

2nd December 2023, 09:47 AM	#4
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2nd December 2023, 09:50 AM	#5
Mercenary Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 421	Simhanadalokeshvara, Nepal, 14-15 AC Attached Images

23rd November 2023, 03:24 PM	#1
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 443	Great thread, Jim! I stumbled across this article that briefly references the Nepal influence on the region. The article also explores metal-hilted kukri and some kora in general, providing many examples with provenance. I'm curious to get everyone's thoughts https://sirkukri.blogspot.com/2014/1...uri-kukri.html

23rd November 2023, 04:20 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,785	Thank you so much Shayde! and what an amazing article you linked! There is ALWAYS so much more to learn, and in the 25 years Ive been here I have never stopped learning. While through research and discussions Ive gained a great core of knowledge, mostly in knowing where to look for things, I feel I have barely scratched the surface. I loved the closing 'mission' statement, "...to share a passion and knowledge,to learn and educate, encourage and inspire, appreciate and serve" I honestly believe those words are pretty much the mantra here through the shared knowledge and research of the many specialized members, who openly and willingly share their findings in great discussions. Onward we go, As always................more research to be done ! Thank you again! Jim

2nd December 2023, 09:44 AM	#3
Mercenary Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 421	I am sorry for Google translate: "...given that Nepal was cut off from normal cultural connections with the rest of India in the early 13th century by the Muslim invasion of Bengal and Bihar, it can be assumed that by the time of the extensive Muslim conquests this form of hilt was already widespread throughout culturally and religiously unified India. Returning to Nepalese sculpture, it should be noted that during the Muslim conquest of Bihar and Bengal at the beginning of the 13th century, as a result of the total extermination of Hindus and especially Brahmins, the latter fled to Nepal in such numbers that for a time they began to be perceived as a separate ethnic group. Even if by this time Nepal did not have the weapons typical of Northern India of that period, as a result of these events they should have appeared there. There is a very interesting and characteristic analogy here. At the end of the 18th century, a rebellion known as the rebellion of sannyasins and fakirs broke out in Bihar and Bengal against the oppression of the British administration. After the suppression of the uprising, the ascetics went to Nepal, settled there and also began to be perceived as a separate caste. As a result, Nepal ended up with so many weapons of Indian origin from the 17th and 18th centuries that this circumstance still puzzles researchers. This assumption can also be confirmed by illustrations to the Buddhist treatise “Astasahasrika Prajnaparamita” (“Eight Thousand Prajnaparamita”), created in Bihar or Bengal at the end of the 12th century and transferred to Nepal at the beginning of the 13th century, apparently also as a result of the above events..."