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Old 9th January 2017, 02:55 AM   #1
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NEW CALEDONIA IS A GROUP OF ISLANDS LOCATED NEAR MODERN VANUATU ( NEW HEBRIDES). THE ISLANDERS ARE REFEREED TO As KANAKA. THE MOST COMMON TYPES OF CLUBS ARE THE MUSHROOM OR PHALLIC SHAPED CLUBS AND THE BIRD HEAD FORMS. IN MANY OF THESE ISLAND GROUPS THE PRACTICE OF BLACKBIRDING OCCURRED. RAIDS WERE MADE AND PEOPLE CAPTURED AND TAKEN AS SLAVE LABOR TO OTHER ISLANDS BY THE SO CALLED CIVILIZED NATIONS. THIS LED TO A RADICAL CHANGE IN THE ISLAND SOCIETIES DUE TO THE MIXING OF CULTURES THRU-OUT THE REGION AND THE INTRODUCTION OF MISSIONARY BROUGHT CHANGE AS WELL.
#1. MAP SHOWING NEW CALEDONIA AND VANUATU (NEW HEBRIDES)
#2. PICTURE OF NEW CALEDONIA ARTIFACTS 1910.
#3. KANAKA WARRIORS 1910
#4. PHALLIC OR MUSHROOM SHAPED CLUB
#5. PHALLIC OR MUSHROOM SHAPED CLUB
#6. THREE VARIATIONS OF THE PHALLIC OR MUSHROOM SHAPED CLUBS
#7. KING JACQUES AND QUEEN OF NEW CALEDONIA, WITH BIRD HEAD CLUB
#8. THREE WARRIORS SPEARS AND CLUBS
#9. TWO WARRIORS WITH WEAPONS
#10. TWO WARRIORS WITH SPEARS 1880
#11. NEW CALEDONIA POLICE FORCE 1878
#12. DRAWING OF WEAPONS AND UTENSELS NEW CALEDONIA
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Old 9th January 2017, 09:36 AM   #2
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Have to add this one. Odd shape, one of the pictures I think may be upside down.
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Old 9th January 2017, 06:03 PM   #3
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A FINE SPECIMEN TIM LOOKS LIKE THE FULL PACKAGE. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE DIALOG AND BRANDISHING BEFORE FIGHTS.
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Old 10th January 2017, 12:17 AM   #4
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MORE EXAMPLES OF THE MUSHROOM OR PHALLIC CLUBS FROM NEW CALEDONIA.
#1. WAR CLUB 26 INCHES LONG
#2. & #3. WAR CLUB 31 INCHES LONG
#4. & #5. VARIATION WITH SPIKED FORM OF HEAD, 85 CM. LONG
#6. WAR CLUB 30 INCHES LONG
#7. & #8. WAR CLUB 24 INCHES LONG, UNUSUAL SHAPED EDGE TO CLUB HEAD
#9. , #10. & #11. WAR CLUB 30 IN. LONG SHOWING TYPICAL WRAP FOR GRIP.
#12. TWO NEW CALEDONIA WAR CLUBS
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Old 10th January 2017, 12:38 AM   #5
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A FEW MORE OF THE MUSHROOM OR PHALLIC FORMS WITH SOME VARIATIONS
#1. THRU #8. VARIOUS EXAMPLES
#9. A DRAWING FROM CAPTAIN COOKS VOYAGES
#10. A SMALLER PERHAPS A THROWING CLUB 12.5 X 4.75 INCHES
#11. THREE FORMS OF CLUBS FROM NEW CALEDONIA
#12. ANOTHER FORM OF NEW CALEDONIA CLUB SHOWS THE ENDS WILL HAVE TO LOOK FOR FULL PICTURE
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Old 10th January 2017, 03:45 AM   #6
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#12. HAS SEVERAL TYPES OF NEW CALEDONIA CLUBS THE ONE WITH THE HEAVY CARRIER CORD IS LIKE PICTURE #12 IN THE ABOVE POST.
#1. KANAK WARRIOR WITH BIRD HEAD WAR CLUB 1890
#2. NEW CALEDONIA WAR CLUB 18.5 INCHES LONG
#3.NEW CALEDONIA WAR CLUB 24 IN. LONG 11 IN. WIDE AT HEAD, 1.5 IN. THICK
#4., #5., #6. , #7. & #8. VARIOUS PARTS OF MY NEW CALEDONIA BIRD HEAD WAR CLUB. 27 INCHES LONG
#9. & #10. BIRD HEAD WAR CLUB 63 CM. X 33.5 CM. BEAK CIRCA 1920 TO 1960
#11. BIRD HEAD WAR CLUB 79 CM.
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Old 10th January 2017, 10:26 AM   #7
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GREAT INFO AND PICTURES VANDOO,CHEERS RAJESH
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Old 10th January 2017, 06:59 PM   #8
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MORE EXAMPLES OF BIRD HEAD FORMS NEW CALEDONIA
#1. NEW CALEDONIA BIRD HEAD WAR CLUB
#2. NEW CALEDONIA BIRD HEAD WAR CLUB
#3. NEW CALEDONIA WAR CLUB
#4. & #12. NEW CALEDONIA BIRD HEAD WAR CLUB
#5. & #6. NEW CALEDONIA WAR CLUB 26 IN. LONG, 9 IN. HEAD
#7. SELECTION OF CLUBS WITH TWO BIRD HEAD NEW CALEDONIA CLUBS
#8. TWO DIFFERENT FORMS OF NEW CALEDONIA BIRD HEAD CLUBS. I HAVE SEEN THE SHORTER TYPE REFERRED TO AS A TURTLE HEAD CLUB BUT DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A NAME JUST MADE UP OR ONE ACTUALLY USED IN NEW CALEDONIA.
#9. & #10. NEW CALEDONIA BIRD HEAD CLUB
#11. NEW CALEDONIA BIRD HEAD CLUB
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Old 10th January 2017, 10:27 PM   #9
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NEW CALEDONIAN BIRD HEAD CLUBS MAY REPRESENT THE FRIGATE BIRD AND I HAVE SEEN SOME OF THE SHORT ONES WITH LITTLE BEAK REFERRED TO AS TURTLE HEAD CLUBS FURTHER RESEARCH NEEDED.
#1., #2. & #3. NEW CALEDONIA BIRD HEAD WAR CLUBS
#4. NEW CALEDONIA BIRD HEAD, 28.5 IN. LONG X 10 INCH HEAD
#5. , #6. & #7. MY SHORT HEAD CALEDONIAN CLUB BIRD OR TURTLE FORM ? 27 INCHES LONG, HEAD 7.75 INCHES LONG
#8., & #9. TWO OF MY BIRD HEAD TYPE CLUBS THE SMALLER ONE HAS LOST THE END OF ITS BEAK LONG AGO. BIG CLUB 32 IN. LONG, HEAD 16 INCHES, SMALL CLUB 20.5 IN. LONG X 6 IN. HEAD
#10. PICTURE WITH VARIOUS CLUBS, 5 AND 6TH FROM TOP ARE BIRD HEAD CLUBS
#11. VERY COOL OLD DISPLAY OF NEW CALEDONIAN ARTIFACTS LOTS OF CLUBS
#12. NOT SURE IF THIS FITS AS A NEW CALEDONIA BIRD HEAD CLUB BUT IT IS SIMILAR. THE INFORMATION I HAVE IS , 38.5 INCHES LONG, HEAD 21 INCHES, KUKUKU A.K.A. ANGU TRIBE PRE WW2
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#1.SEE LINK TO OLD FORUM POST, MAY BE NEW CALEDONIA OR IN THE REGION. BUT DOES FALL INTO THE BIRD HEAD CLUB FORM.
#2. ANOTHER BIRD HEAD FORM BUT LIKELY NOT FROM NEW CALEDONIA PERHAPS A SOLOMON ISLANDS FORM.
#3. NEW CALEDONIA WOOD CARVING ROOF FINAL
#4. NEW CALEDONIA BIRD HEAD CLUB
#5. ONE BIRD HEAD AND 2 PHALLIC CLUBS, 1 NEW HEBRIDES STAR CLUB.
#6. TWO BIRD HEAD CLUBS AND ONE MUSHROOM CLUB, 2 UNKNOWN CLUBS
#7. TIM'S CLUB LIKELY FROM NEW CALEDONIA IN MUSHROOM OR PHALLIC FORM.
#8.NEW CALEDONIA STONE HEAD CEREMONIAL SCEPTER, AX OR CLUB.
#9. NEW CALEDONIA STONE HEAD CLUB OR SCEPTER, (GI OKONO )12 IN. LONG X 6 INCH DIAMETER. A TRADITIONAL NEW CALEDONIAN CEREMONIAL OBJECT
#10., #11. & #12 NEW CALEDONIA CEREMONIAL STONE HEAD AX, SCEPTERS
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Old 16th January 2017, 03:29 PM   #11
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#1. & #2. NEW CALEDONIA MUSHROOM CLUB 28 INCHES LONG.
#3. & #4. NEW CALEDONIA BIRD HEAD CLUB 78 CM. LONG HEAD 22 CM.
#5. NEW CALEDONIA MUSHROOM CLUB DETAIL
#6. TWO NEW CALEDONIAN BOYS WITH THEIR CLUBS 1910
#7. NEW CALEDONIA BIRD HEAD CLUB
#8. STONE CLUB HEAD SAID TO BE FROM NEW CALEDONIA FURTHER RESEARCH NEEDED ON THIS FORM 17.5 CM.
#9. MUSHROOM CLUB NEW CALEDONIA GOOD OLD ONE, 75 CM LONG HEAD DIAMETER 18 CM.
#10., #11. & #12. NEW CALEDONIA SOUVENIR CARVED ART CLUB.
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Old 16th January 2017, 04:58 PM   #12
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JUST A OBSERVATION ON FORM AND FUNCTION OF THE BIRD HEAD CLUB. PERHAPS THIS FORM OF WOODEN CLUB PREDATED AND INFLUENCED LATER METAL WEAPONS THAT WERE MOUNTED AND FUNCTIONED IN A SIMILAR WAY. THE BRONZE CHINESE GE THOUGH ON A LONGER POLE IS MUCH THE SAME. THE INDIAN ZAGHANAL AMD THE AFGHAN LOHAR ARE MUCH THE SAME IN SHAPE AND FUNCTION AS WELL. WOOD CLUBS THAT PRE-DATED BRONZE AGE WEAPONS ARE NOT LIKELY TO HAVE SURVIVED BUT MAY HAVE EXISTED.
#1. & #2. CHINESE BRONZE GE
#3. ZAGINAL INDIA
#4. OLD FORM OF LOHAR INDIA OR AFGHAN
#5. NEW CALEDONIA BIRD HEAD CLUB FOR COMPARISON
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Old 1st February 2017, 10:59 PM   #13
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THIS EXAMPLE WAS REFERRED TO AS A TURTLE HEAD CLUB IT MAY JUST BE ANOTHER FORM OF BIRD HEAD CLUB. IT IS 74 CM. LONG
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