Bicol Ginunting

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by tanaruz

According to a local bladesmith who does Bicol blades- these two are not Bicol blades. In my opinion (only mine)- they could be Aklan tenegre/tinegre talibongs.

Hello Yves,

I am a little bit confused, about which two blades you are speaking here?

Regards,
Detlef

[tanaruz]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Yves,

I am a little bit confused, about which two blades you are speaking here?

Regards,
Detlef

Hello,

The ones you're posted ( 2 blades and 3 pommels pictures). I've asked a long-time Bicol bladesmith and they're not from Bicol.

Regards

Yves

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by tanaruz

The ones you're posted ( 2 blades and 3 pommels pictures). I've asked a long-time Bicol bladesmith and they're not from Bicol.

Hello Yves,

What do you see by yourself? Compare your blade with my two blades, do you see the same blade shape? Do you don't see the same pommel style? Same scabbard style?

I personally would call all three blades as binakla from the Bicol region, see this very informative thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=bicol

Best regards,
Detlef

[xasterix]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Yves,

What do you see by yourself? Compare your blade with my two blades, do you see the same blade shape? Do you don't see the same pommel style? Same scabbard style?

I personally would call all three blades as binakla from the Bicol region, see this very informative thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=bicol

Best regards,
Detlef

Hi Detlef,

Aside from Bicol, there are two other places which may have made the pieces you posted- Masbate and Samar. They have been known to make figurals similar to Bicol's (and even have the minasbad blade profile). So there's the possibility that yours may have come from those areas.

Yves, I don't think your blade is 100+ years old. The sure 100+ years Bicol blades would be those with D-guards and old-school figurals. If basing on the samples gathered by the minasbad researcher / trader known as The Minasbad Shop, your sample would be around WW2 era.

[Ian]

Another example of similar style. I don't have better pictures at present, but will try to post details of the hilt shortly. The hilt looks like a bat to me.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by xasterix

Aside from Bicol, there are two other places which may have made the pieces you posted- Masbate and Samar. They have been known to make figurals similar to Bicol's (and even have the minasbad blade profile). So there's the possibility that yours may have come from those areas.

Hi Xas,

You were the one who has identified this type of sword as binakla, yes there are slight differences in the handle styles but generally they could get named as inaso, dog or bat style. Blade style is by nearly all examples (this thread and the one I posted) nearly similar. So when one gets called binakla I call a very similar sword as well as binakla, also when it gets called in Masbate or Samar differently. It's a cultural and linguistic related region.
So when a knowledgeable person would say it's very similar but maybe from Masbate or Samar but simply saying it's for sur not Bicol at last is courageous IMVHO. I for my part have described my both swords as binakla from the Bicol region and don't want to change it now but keep in mind that also Masbate and Samar could be a possibility.

Originally Posted by xasterix

Yves, I don't think your blade is 100+ years old. The sure 100+ years Bicol blades would be those with D-guards and old-school figurals. If basing on the samples gathered by the minasbad researcher / trader known as The Minasbad Shop, your sample would be around WW2 era.

Agree with you, the reason I've asked Yves before, the scabbard bands from aluminium could be a later replacement but like you I noticed the handle style. But we would need to see better pictures.

Regards,
Detlef

[Ian]

Here are the additional pictures of the blade I posted above. The thickness of the spine just in front of the hilt is 8.5 mm measured with a micrometer. The width of the blade tapers quickly moving away from the hilt, and the cutting area of the blade is about 3-4 mm wide for much of its length, tapering further to 1-2 mm wide near the tip. The clipped spine has a sharp back edge for about 20 cm. Both the regular and back edges are razor sharp and symmetrically V-ground (not chisel-ground). The regular cutting edge has been quench hardened.

The hilt has finger cut outs and what appears to be a bat's head for the pommel. The hilt is full tang.

Length of blade = 48.0 cm (18.9 in), length of hilt = 13.8 cm (5.4 in).

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[tanaruz]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Yves,

What do you see by yourself? Compare your blade with my two blades, do you see the same blade shape? Do you don't see the same pommel style? Same scabbard style?

I personally would call all three blades as binakla from the Bicol region, see this very informative thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=bicol

Best regards,
Detlef

Hi Sir,

I've done some searching and queries. I may have a solid answer to the question on hand. But I need you to send me some pics of the 'BARAT' or the TANG RIVET. This (and some other aspects of the blade), according to a very knowledeable person on Bicol blades would determine the answer to our questions.

The 'barat' is the rivet at the tip of the hilt.

Regards

Yves

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by tanaruz

I've done some searching and queries. I may have a solid answer to the question on hand. But I need you to send me some pics of the 'BARAT' or the TANG RIVET. This (and some other aspects of the blade), according to a very knowledeable person on Bicol blades would determine the answer to our questions.

The 'barat' is the rivet at the tip of the hilt.

Hi Yves,

First, thank you for your response! I will post pictures from top of the hilts but I guess that they won't be of great help, both tang ends are rotted away from corrosion. Just give me some time to take pictures.

Regards,
Detlef

[Sajen]

Hi Yves,

The "barat" from my third binakla you can see by the attached pictures.

Regards,
Detlef

[tanaruz]

Hello Sir,

Will be forwarding these reference pics to my contact in Bicol.



Kind regards

Yves