Middle Eastern Knife??

[Dom]

Originally Posted by templarnight

I wonder if anyone could help with the translation?

HERE WE ARE

NARS MIN ALLAH WA FATUM KARIB
either
VICTORY FROM ALLAH, AND INVASION SOON
regards

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Dom

[David]

Forgive me Dom, but you seem to be basing you assumption of origin solely on the Arabic inscription (which makes no case for origin) and completely ignoring the form of this dagger and it's dress which is nothing like the Syrian "Magdali" daggers you posted. This dagger uses completely different materials and takes on a completely different form. I cannot see how you came to your conclusion from this evidence.

[Dom]

Originally Posted by David

This dagger uses completely different materials and takes on a completely different form. I cannot see how you came to your conclusion from this evidence.

you are absolutely forgiven
I wrote; "for me this dagger, could be Syrian, 20th century ... modern version for "Magdali"
- the scripts as you may compare, are enough near
- the "Soliman" seal, is more "Arab" than something else, in this contexte

if I put a picture for daggers, it was to illustrate the origin of "ricassos" proposed
not to compare them daggers, that would have been a "nonsense" at evidence,
they don't have similitude, others than I mentioned

best regards

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Dom

[David]

Originally Posted by Dom

you are absolutely forgiven
I wrote; "for me this dagger, could be Syrian, 20th century ... modern version for "Magdali"
- the scripts as you may compare, are enough near
- the "Soliman" seal, is more "Arab" than something else, in this contexte

if I put a picture for daggers, it was to illustrate the origin of "ricassos" proposed
not to compare them daggers, that would have been a "nonsense" at evidence,
they don't have similitude, others than I mentioned

best regards

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Dom

Dom, markings on the ricasso of a blade is pretty common in many cultures. So is the Seal of Solomon. As has been pointed out, it was even used by the very British company of Wilkinson in that very area of their blades. Though i would agree that in combination with the written inscription this blade was no doubt owned at sometime by a Muslim. However, beyond that you reasoning for placing origin in Syria seems completely baseless. This looks nothing like any blades i have ever seen from that area.

[A.alnakkas]

Looks like an Afghan military knife replica.

[Dom]

Originally Posted by David

However, beyond that you reasoning for placing origin in Syria seems completely baseless.

David
are you sure that your word "baseless" ... is "based"??

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Dom

[ariel]

I suspect it is indeed a Wilkinson blade, but heavily re-shaped: shortened and converted into a dagger. Look at the etched area : the closer to the tip, the more narrow it gets, to the point that very close to the tip it runs off onto the edge.
The overall construction reminds me of Balkan renditions of a Kindjal, with a lot of brass on the handle, handguard etc. Trench art ? Too sophisticated... And the scabbard is very well made. Looks like a professional job, either intended for real use or souvenir-ish.

[Dom]

Originally Posted by David

Forgive me Dom, but you seem to be basing you assumption of origin solely on the Arabic inscription (which makes no case for origin

by the way ...
while my translator provides translations for all requests
the ricassos of my two "magdalis" although written in Arabic alphabet
are still not translated
because it is not Arabic language, dialect used must be "Druze"
but in the specific case of this dagger who important to us
this is "an extract from Holy Koran, it is (MUST) in Arabic

actually, I share your point of view;
- the written language is not always a proof of origin, just an index

therefore, it is not the language that influenced me

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Dom

[David]

Originally Posted by Dom

actually, I share your point of view;
- the written language is not always a proof of origin, just an index

therefore, it is not the language that influenced me

Then what was it that did influence you Dom? The only two points you make are about the writing on the ricasso and the Seal of Solomon.? Care to share, rather than dancing around the question while throwing out rude emoticons. Is there some reason you keep sticking your tongue out at everyone with every post?

[David R]

Photo of ricasso of a Wilkinson 1897, "double triangle", Wilkinson always made the point that it was NOT a star of David, and complained that it had become so well known that it was widely copied. An interesting thread about this is on another "sword specific" forum.

[Dom]

Originally Posted by David

Care to share, rather than dancing around the question while throwing out rude emoticons. Is there some reason you keep sticking your tongue out at everyone with every post?

received 5/5, you are a modo, I'll stick to your orders
from now, I'm a spectator. Over

Dom

[David]

No orders here Dom, just friendly suggestions.

[broadaxe]

I believe it is Afghan made dagger for the British/European market. Typical shape and technique.