Zweihander or two handed sword-help needed

[Victrix]

What about its little “brother” lying next to it? It looks Venetian?

[serdar]

Originally Posted by Victrix

What about its little “brother” lying next to it? It looks Venetian?

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Well his little brother looks venetian, and probably is venetian made blade, pomel is dalmatian made from risno, but actually it is very rare sword caled Vukovac in balkan region, it was made with venetian and steyer blades, but mostly with passau runing wolf blades thats why its got name vukovac, wolf-vuk, it is sword from 15-16 century used in montenegro, albania, serbia bosnia and some in croatia, this example has S makers mark, i think it is from venetia work shop i got schiavona from the same maker, same blade, very early schiavona, blade is begining of 16ct, basket end of 16 ct.

Anyhow it is very rare sword, rarer than schiavonesca.

About zweihander, i sold it for very good price, wasnt sure in its autenthicity, and it was too heavy for a wall

[Victrix]

Originally Posted by serdar

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Well his little brother looks venetian, and probably is venetian made blade, pomel is dalmatian made from risno, but actually it is very rare sword caled Vukovac in balkan region, it was made with venetian and steyer blades, but mostly with passau runing wolf blades thats why its got name vukovac, wolf-vuk, it is sword from 15-16 century used in montenegro, albania, serbia bosnia and some in croatia, this example has S makers mark, i think it is from venetia work shop i got schiavona from the same maker, same blade, very early schiavona, blade is begining of 16ct, basket end of 16 ct.

Anyhow it is very rare sword, rarer than schiavonesca.

About zweihander, i sold it for very good price, wasnt sure in its autenthicity, and it was too heavy for a wall

The smaller sword looks more Byzantine in style. How do you know the pommel was made in Risno? Do you know the meaning of the decoration on the pommel by any chance?

[serdar]

Originally Posted by Victrix

The smaller sword looks more Byzantine in style. How do you know the pommel was made in Risno? Do you know the meaning of the decoration on the pommel by any chance?

Pomels and baskets for schiavona, shiavonesca and for vukovac, were made in dalmatia, boka and venice.
This one is from montenegro.
Friend who is collector of boka kotorska things, said it is from boka and he thinks from risno region judging on the style, and examples of pomels he saw from there.
Meaning of the pomel, it is imposible to know, i realy dont know, everything about would be pure guesing.

Problem is, there are many authors, museums etc. And lots of them is wrong on many materials, from my sources in montenegro, old archives etc. This type of sword was used in 15-16 ct in montenegro, and in one old book i got on weapons it is called abanski mac, spada albanesca, same in 15-16 ct, same region.

There are a lot of weapons poeple misname and dont know, like pala, real ottoman paka is another thing, and people call pala a 19 ct foot soliders kilij.
Pala has straighter blade more wider, and crossguard is similar to this sword bent up the blade.

There is allso montenegro pala, yatagan like sword with straight blade, in montenegro it is caled pala for centuries.

Another thing, sword caled ledenik, made in boka, extremely fare swords, all in silver, like ledenice pistols from boka.

[Victrix]

Wow, those pics are great. Thanks for posting Serdar. I’m sure much of what you write is completely new to most people in the forum. I never even heard of Boka and Risno before! Even Byzantine arms I vaguely know what they look like. An observation is that it looks to me like it’s typical Montenegrin to have wide ferrules top and bottom on leather covered grips on swords based on what you showed so far.

[Copycat]

Originally Posted by serdar

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About zweihander, i sold it for very good price, wasnt sure in its autenthicity, and it was too heavy for a wall

Good for you. Especially If the general opinion of the piece is victorian.

I would have leaned it (secured) against the wall, with the tip on soft floor.

[fernando]

How is it in context, the appearing of a Hispano-Arabe "Jineta" in the last picture ?

[TVV]

Originally Posted by fernando

How is it in context, the appearing of a Hispano-Arabe "Jineta" in the last picture ?

I do not think it is a Jineta, Fernando, despite some similarities. It is a silver mounted dagger from Kotor, referred to as Icicle. There are swords in Bosnia and Montenegro with some features which may have been taken/inspired from earlier Muslim swords from other parts of the Mediterranean, but the links are beyond my knowledge, and most certainly outside the scope of a thread titled Zweihander.

[fernando]

Duly noted Teodor ... thanks .