Gills Britah manufacturing sword

Bryce · 26th March 2024, 05:43 AM

G'day Radboud,
I have also seen swords of a similar vintage to the Crown over HO marked Osborns, that have a Crown over TG mark. Maybe this was used by Thomas Gill, but I haven't yet found one with a corresponding Gill mark to confirm this.
Cheers,
Bryce

Jim McDougall · 26th March 2024, 07:11 PM

In accord with the case with earlier hilts paired with later blades, this is a c1750 munitions grade British basket hilt of the form produced by Jeffries and Drury in London. These were known to be used by the Black Watch as well as several other infantry units.
At the end of the American Revolution the carrying of swords by infantry units effectively ended, with numbers of these swords of course being put into stores. At some point it appears several of these were paired with M1788 light cavalry saber blade......by whom or for whom is unclear.

I recall many years ago in my quest for the presumed M1788 heavy cavalry sword, which of course had the straight single edged dragoon type blade (despite the light cavalry moving to the hussar type saber).......I found an example of the claimed hilt form...basket type hilt. However, this had a heavy, curved saber blade.
Soon I decided this, with curved blade, did not seem quite proper for the example I needed (as per Robson, it was about 1977) so I let it go.

These are examples of hilts paired incongruently with other blades, and in particular the c. 1750s hilt mounted with 1788 light cavalry saber blade.

It would seem of course that these kinds of pairings might have to do with yeomanry units perhaps, or traditionally held hilts given newer blades.
Whatever the case, it does not seem an altogether unusual instance.

Hotspur · 27th March 2024, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryce

G'day Radboud,
I have also seen swords of a similar vintage to the Crown over HO marked Osborns, that have a Crown over TG mark. Maybe this was used by Thomas Gill, but I haven't yet found one with a corresponding Gill mark to confirm this.
Cheers,
Bryce

You've probably seen mine, a few owners down the road.

Bryce · 27th March 2024, 10:43 PM

Yeah that is one of them. You haven't noticed a GILL mark anywhere on it have you? It may be marked GILL on the tang like the early Osborn examples.
Cheers,
Bryce

Hotspur · 30th March 2024, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryce

Yeah that is one of them. You haven't noticed a GILL mark anywhere on it have you? It may be marked GILL on the tang like the early Osborn examples.
Cheers,
Bryce

I've never taken it apart. I had seen it decades ago. I grabbed it from ebay and the seller got it from a previous auction. bought it for the form, over the marking.

Cheers
GC

26th March 2024, 07:11 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,785	In accord with the case with earlier hilts paired with later blades, this is a c1750 munitions grade British basket hilt of the form produced by Jeffries and Drury in London. These were known to be used by the Black Watch as well as several other infantry units. At the end of the American Revolution the carrying of swords by infantry units effectively ended, with numbers of these swords of course being put into stores. At some point it appears several of these were paired with M1788 light cavalry saber blade......by whom or for whom is unclear. I recall many years ago in my quest for the presumed M1788 heavy cavalry sword, which of course had the straight single edged dragoon type blade (despite the light cavalry moving to the hussar type saber).......I found an example of the claimed hilt form...basket type hilt. However, this had a heavy, curved saber blade. Soon I decided this, with curved blade, did not seem quite proper for the example I needed (as per Robson, it was about 1977) so I let it go. These are examples of hilts paired incongruently with other blades, and in particular the c. 1750s hilt mounted with 1788 light cavalry saber blade. It would seem of course that these kinds of pairings might have to do with yeomanry units perhaps, or traditionally held hilts given newer blades. Whatever the case, it does not seem an altogether unusual instance. Attached Images

26th March 2024, 05:43 AM	#1
Bryce Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: North Queensland, Australia Posts: 174	G'day Radboud, I have also seen swords of a similar vintage to the Crown over HO marked Osborns, that have a Crown over TG mark. Maybe this was used by Thomas Gill, but I haven't yet found one with a corresponding Gill mark to confirm this. Cheers, Bryce

27th March 2024, 10:43 PM	#4
Bryce Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: North Queensland, Australia Posts: 174	Yeah that is one of them. You haven't noticed a GILL mark anywhere on it have you? It may be marked GILL on the tang like the early Osborn examples. Cheers, Bryce