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Old 25th February 2024, 08:08 PM   #1
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Old 27th February 2024, 07:14 PM   #2
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Can only help you with the date "1218" => 1803
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Old 12th March 2024, 09:36 AM   #3
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With the help of a friend, the text was read .Year 1218 (Circa 1803). Made by Hajji (pilgrim) Nouh, owner Halil Ağa.
Ağa is a military rank which has no equvelance in today's miltary and it is between a captain and a major.
Ağa usullay cammanded 1000 jennissaries.
The rest are the names of the Seven Sleepers of Ephesus
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Aga or Agha was also a honorific title or name given to respected men, who were not to be addressed with Beg / Bey or Effendi for one reason or another in the Ottoman Empire.
So not always a reference to a military rank or position of the owner
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Aga or Agha was also a honorific title or name given to respected men, who were not to be addressed with Beg / Bey or Effendi for one reason or another in the Ottoman Empire.
So not always a reference to a military rank or position of the owner
Besides the inscription, there are many other reasons to believe that the yatagan belonged to a Janissar

In a literal translation, it can also be translated as older brother
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Nice yataghan, why do you mean that there are other signa that it belonged to janissari? There are no janissari seals on blade, they had seals like markings of regiment, that vere struck on blades, this doesent have that.
That ivory? Like decoration on ear is a later ad on as i can see.
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Nice yataghan, why do you mean that there are other signa that it belonged to janissari? There are no janissari seals on blade, they had seals like markings of regiment, that vere struck on blades, this doesent have that.
That ivory? Like decoration on ear is a later ad on as i can see.
The yataghan was a non-combatant personal weapon of the Turkish Janissaries. According to one version, the yataghan came from an elongated knife, which was carried by these privileged warriors of the Turkish sultans. The Janissaries, who were distinguished by their violent temperament and tendency to rebel, did not have the right to leave their barracks with any weapons, with the exception of knives. They learned to get around this ban by increasing the length of their knives.

In the inscriptions, along with the name of the master, the name of the owner is always written, made in the same technique as the rest of the inscriptions, and the decoration of the blade; this indicates that the weapon was made to order.

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Old 27th March 2024, 12:56 AM   #8
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Yes that white thing is a later and crude one ad on.
Allso two extra smaller pins, has it ben repaired on parazvana?
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