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Old 21st September 2020, 10:37 AM   #1
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Thank you Fernando!
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Old 21st September 2020, 12:25 PM   #2
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This appears to be a very old object.
I hope someone can throw some light into this interesting item's history.
Angles to take into account:
It is quite a long way from Coucy to the river Seine; wonder how it got there ... and gor how long it stood in the bottom of the river.
We may assume that, the paper tag on its back must have been placed right after it was found ... by someone fishing ?
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Old 21st September 2020, 09:06 PM   #3
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A DISTANT MIRROR, by Barbara Tuchman, 1978, concerns the de Coucy family.
It's quite detailed; perhaps it can offer some insight.
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Old 22nd September 2020, 09:53 AM   #4
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Thanks for your replies and the book tip!

As the Seine also crosses Paris, I think it is possible that it was found somewhere in this area as Paris was already the capital in medieval ages, although the linear distance is ~100 km. It also seems that the plaque was removed from where ever it was attached forcefully...

I found an interesting similar piece on the internet:

https://www.pinterest.de/pin/365213851005646944/

http://www.la-detection.com/dp/message-2902.htm

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Old 22nd September 2020, 03:28 PM   #5
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Makes sense.

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Old 22nd September 2020, 06:58 PM   #6
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Perhaps a bit too large for a vervelle.
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Old 22nd September 2020, 08:29 PM   #7
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Or maybe a horse trapping
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Old 23rd September 2020, 11:42 AM   #8
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Perhaps a bit too large for a vervelle.
Going back into the period, a vervelle could either be an (heraldic) adornment to attach to a belt or to a horse harness. The ones i have spotted so far are slightly smaller than Adreas example.
I guess many reasons could originate its falling off. If in fact it was an implement adorning any part of a knight's personal ot horse's gear, it could have been ripped out while in combat.
On the other hand, we can't exclude the possibility that, wherever it was riveted, belt, harness, box, armor, uniform, someone took it off ... and temporarily keep it as a trophy.
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