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Old 2nd December 2023, 08:44 PM   #1
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Default The Spekulatius Cookie Hussar

The Spekulatius cookie has been an integral part of christmas pastries in central Europe since the middle ages. I recently acquired a beautiful mold for such cookies which appears to be very old judging by material and style. That depiction of an armed rider on this pastry seems to have tradition in certain areas but I didnīt find anything certain. Nevertheless I know my stuff about sabers but when it comes to uniforms Iīm out.

From which region and era can this hussar probably be? My best guess is Austro-Hungary or Poland-Lithuania in the 1st half of the 18th century. Any ideas welcome - maybe someone recognizes certain details which are specific for some known person or a regiment.
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A nice thread for the Miscellania Forum .
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Old 3rd December 2023, 10:56 AM   #3
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That looks like a great mold and certainly seasonal! The uniform looks very 18thC and the 7 year war springs to mind. The sabre guard looks slightly Polish but may just be an artist interpretation. Noteworthy is the wig, the amount of decoration on the uniform, and what appears to be a fokos axe tucked into the boot. The latter suggest Hungarian-Croatian nationality but the item could also be a pipe (?) which could suggest that the hussar might also be Prussian? I googled Spekulatius and found the below:
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I would say the fokos indicates more Carpathian. So Slovakian or Transylvanian.
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I would say the fokos indicates more Carpathian. So Slovakian or Transylvanian.
As long as they wore wigs there in 18thC. I think further East it was common to wear a plaited tail hanging down in front of each ear and one tail in the back? Or maybe that was just the privates troopers whilst the officers wore wigs?
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Old 16th December 2023, 01:26 PM   #6
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Thanks for your replies. The item in questions is a pipe, not an axe (/fokos) - I wonder, are pipes pathognomonic for Prussians?

The wig in question could also be curly hair to me...

As for the Speculatius: Donīt believe everything on the internet word for word, this pastry is known, made and eaten in the entirety of Germany, not just Westphalia. Itīs also known in Poland and the Czech R. for example.

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Old 14th January 2024, 03:09 PM   #7
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Thanks for replying Victrix.

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but the item could also be a pipe (?) which could suggest that the hussar might also be Prussian
I wondered if that is the case - but I doubt it to be honest.

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Austro-Hungarian hussars were the most renowned in 18thC, when they were copied by the admiring Prussians.
In fact the Prussians and French did not copy them in the beginning but "imported" Hungarian hussars to begin with. With those Hungarians came the first hussar sabers into those countries which were then copied, as f.e. the Prussian Model 1742 which was then copied by Sweden as M1757 and the UK as the Model 1788. The hussar depicted here has a saber with a guard resembling other than beforementioned sabers - namely Polish sabers. I wonder if thatīs a purposely detail.
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The edit option should stay available for a little longer...
The skull has been first used by the prussian hussar regiment nr. 8 (belling) in 1758.
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Old 16th January 2024, 09:55 PM   #9
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Here in the Netherlands we have a long tradition of speculaas. Traditionally the image was carved in wood. I've never seen them in stone.
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The skull has been first used by the prussian hussar regiment nr. 8 (belling) in 1758.
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https://www.kaisersbunker.com/pt/pelzmutze.htm

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