OLD OR JUNK?

Pangeran Datu · 19th April 2007, 12:14 PM

[QUOTE=cahaya]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alam

....Pandawa Karno Tinanding.......

Hai. Alam....
Pandawa means = 5 people (Wayang stories) , so if keris Pandawa Karno Tinanding must be 5 luk not 6 or 7 luk....

thanks Alam

Hi all,

Just a quick note:
- Strictly speaking, Pandawa does not mean five. In the Mahabharata epic, Pandawa was the name of the five Bharata brothers (heroes), sons of Pandhu. They are referred to as: Pancha Pandhava (Sanskrit)/Pandawa Lima (Indo)/Pandawa Five.
However, in Indo, some people do take the word Pandawa to be synonymous with five.

Although the Dapur Pandawa (and its variations) is merely a subset of the dapurs for the 5-Eluk keris, many people in Indo generally refer to ANY 5-Eluk keris as a 'Pandawa'.

- I agree that the particular keris shown above is a 7-Eluk.

- I agree that the dapur on the sor-soran in the picture looks like it is acceptable as one of the forms of Karna Tinanding. However, isn't Karna Tinanding generally restricted to straight kerises?

Anyway, just my thoughts, for what they're worth.

Cheers.

cahaya · 20th April 2007, 03:20 AM

Hi..all

you are correct pangeran datu

brekele · 20th April 2007, 07:17 AM

PANGERAN DATU, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORDS. THAT'S THIS FORUM ALL ABOUT!!! MY BIG JEMPOL RAISED UP HIGHER THAN MY HEAD FOR YOU.
Is there any kos-kos an for rent near by your house PANGERAN DATU?

THANKS
bouwneack001.

brekele · 21st April 2007, 07:33 PM

Hi again GUYS, today the blade is cleaned. Now, It's time for me to learn again

Any opinions?

Battara · 21st April 2007, 09:04 PM

Very nice cleaning and etching job!

David · 21st April 2007, 10:32 PM

Aaahhhh...that feels better, doesn't it?

I strongly suspect that this keris has had alterations, especially after this cleaning where you can follow the pamor lines. That certainlt doesn't make it junk, but in my eyes it makes it less desirable than it would be in it's original dapur.
Nice cleaning job.

Alam Shah · 22nd April 2007, 12:29 AM

The lower quarter areas does seems modified. The two central grooves (kruwingan) seems to be... the pamor looks 'disturbed'. Probably some other dapur type before it is modified into a Karno Tinanding.

21st April 2007, 07:33 PM	#4
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	Hi again GUYS, today the blade is cleaned. Now, It's time for me to learn again Any opinions? Attached Images Last edited by brekele; 21st April 2007 at 07:55 PM.

20th April 2007, 03:20 AM	#2
cahaya Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 49	Hi..all you are correct pangeran datu

20th April 2007, 07:17 AM	#3
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	PANGERAN DATU, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORDS. THAT'S THIS FORUM ALL ABOUT!!! MY BIG JEMPOL RAISED UP HIGHER THAN MY HEAD FOR YOU. Is there any kos-kos an for rent near by your house PANGERAN DATU? THANKS bouwneack001.

21st April 2007, 09:04 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,143	Very nice cleaning and etching job!

21st April 2007, 10:32 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,051	Aaahhhh...that feels better, doesn't it? I strongly suspect that this keris has had alterations, especially after this cleaning where you can follow the pamor lines. That certainlt doesn't make it junk, but in my eyes it makes it less desirable than it would be in it's original dapur. Nice cleaning job.

22nd April 2007, 12:29 AM	#7
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	The lower quarter areas does seems modified. The two central grooves (kruwingan) seems to be... the pamor looks 'disturbed'. Probably some other dapur type before it is modified into a Karno Tinanding.