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Old 2nd December 2023, 02:04 PM   #1
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I found the article in both English and Russian here:
https://darwinmuseum.academia.edu/DmitryMiloserdov

Good article, I can’t find fault with anything, so I’ll just add an interesting fact.
I once researched the origins of this decorative element.
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Old 2nd December 2023, 02:19 PM   #2
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I noticed that such an element was often used to decorate exactly those parts of decorative items that visually correspond to the bolster of a knife, namely: the necks of jugs and teapots, vases and other similar transitional parts.
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My research showed that the starting point was Chinese ceramics of the 14th and 15th centuries, and later porcelain supplied to Iran and beyond. After Iran, this element independently appears in the Deccan and India (not through porcelain), in the Caucasus and in Europe (through porcelain).

Based on this element, ornaments appeared that were also placed along the edge of anything, along the perimeter, etc.
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In the original it is a chrysanthemum
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By the way, one more fact. Quite quickly, real Chinese porcelain began to remain in Iran, and instead, Iranian copies began to be supplied to Europe. But Europe developed its own high art, but Central Asia, after separation from India, did not.
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Old 4th December 2023, 07:33 PM   #6
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Mercenary, thank you for sharing your interesting ideas.
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