Sudanese Command Batons

Kubur · 13th December 2019, 04:17 PM

Are you saying that i'm a very bad saleman?

TVV · 14th December 2019, 12:19 AM

When you consider that many "Mahdist" items are actually post Omdurman and intended for the European souvenir market, these are quite cool in that they are indeed from an earlier time, potentially the early 19th century. And I agree that they are not seen often and somewhat obscure.

drac2k · 31st May 2020, 08:16 PM

Well, I finally got a pair of these, I have read the entire thread and I still don't know their purpose.
I can not see how they would be used in a religious context other than as the Tibetians use the phurba to exorcise demons or as various religions in the practice of self-flagellation.
Based on my limited knowledge I can only imagine that these were indeed used as command batons, as certainly the Sudanese may have viewed and copied their use by British or as souvenirs sold to the above-mentioned soldiers.
Also, what is the deal with the seeds? Are they to be taken as a power boost, are they used as a sedative after a long hard day to help you sleep, or to rid yourself of your least favorite wife?

Jack Fletcher · 30th March 2022, 06:41 PM

To jump on this post I picked this example up on ebay the otherday thats now arrived. Its identical to the example in the a german book.

gp · 30th March 2022, 07:47 PM

I read a lot here about dervishes ....
Question so I can better understand and learn what you do mean:

which kind of Derwishes are we talking about ?
Sunni or Shia ?
From which order ? ( Halveti (Khalwatiyyah), Bektashi , Naqshibandi, Qadiri and Rifa`Mevlevis, Bayramis, Melamis, Sa’dis, Jelvetis, Shazilis and Bedevis to name a few..),
Or actually non-sufi related at all but the so-called western fancy named weapons for the Ansar-like or Nizari warriors?

31st May 2020, 08:16 PM	#3
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,187	Well, I finally got a pair of these, I have read the entire thread and I still don't know their purpose. I can not see how they would be used in a religious context other than as the Tibetians use the phurba to exorcise demons or as various religions in the practice of self-flagellation. Based on my limited knowledge I can only imagine that these were indeed used as command batons, as certainly the Sudanese may have viewed and copied their use by British or as souvenirs sold to the above-mentioned soldiers. Also, what is the deal with the seeds? Are they to be taken as a power boost, are they used as a sedative after a long hard day to help you sleep, or to rid yourself of your least favorite wife? Attached Images

30th March 2022, 06:41 PM	#4
Jack Fletcher Member Join Date: Jul 2021 Posts: 28	To jump on this post I picked this example up on ebay the otherday thats now arrived. Its identical to the example in the a german book. Attached Images

13th December 2019, 04:17 PM	#1
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Are you saying that i'm a very bad saleman?

14th December 2019, 12:19 AM	#2
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,601	When you consider that many "Mahdist" items are actually post Omdurman and intended for the European souvenir market, these are quite cool in that they are indeed from an earlier time, potentially the early 19th century. And I agree that they are not seen often and somewhat obscure.

30th March 2022, 07:47 PM	#5
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 668	I read a lot here about dervishes .... Question so I can better understand and learn what you do mean: which kind of Derwishes are we talking about ? Sunni or Shia ? From which order ? ( Halveti (Khalwatiyyah), Bektashi , Naqshibandi, Qadiri and Rifa`Mevlevis, Bayramis, Melamis, Sa’dis, Jelvetis, Shazilis and Bedevis to name a few..), Or actually non-sufi related at all but the so-called western fancy named weapons for the Ansar-like or Nizari warriors?