Two daggers

Richard G · 1st November 2022, 05:33 PM

These recently sold in the UK for £2250 (with commission and taxes that's nearly £3000). Seems a lot to me. I don't want to start a discussion on whether they were worth it or not, but it would indicate to me that at least two persons saw value that I didn't. Can anyone enlighten me?
Best wishes
Richard

Kmaddock · 1st November 2022, 06:12 PM

Hi Richard

The top one is a WWII commando Fairbairn–Sykes dagger second pattern, desirable, I am not up on prices but mine cost around xxxx pounds 15 years ago

This model has the chequered grip and not the more common ringed grip (3rd pattern) From the picture though it does not look to have an etched Wilkinson panel which was on the very early 2nd pattern knives.

The really valuable Fairbairn–Sykes dagger are the 1st pattern has a s shaped cross guard, these cost xxxx.

I have no idea on the bottom knife though.

Regards

Ken

AHorsa · 2nd November 2022, 06:33 AM

The other dagger is a (unusual?) German imperial navy cadet dagger.

Kind regards

fernando · 2nd November 2022, 08:26 AM

Absolutely no price discussions here, Gentlemen; you are breaking the rules ... and taking a risk.

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Kmaddock · 2nd November 2022, 10:53 AM

Apologies Fernando,
I did not think my comments were pushing what is allowed and I purposefully left them very generic,
I will edit my post accordingly
Regards
Ken

fernando · 2nd November 2022, 11:05 AM

Richard G · 2nd November 2022, 02:51 PM

Thank you Ken and Ahorsa.
Sorry Fernando, I didn't want to start a discussion on prices, but the price did indicate that one or the other of these, or both, were very desirable knives. I was trying to find out what made them so.
I think I can work it out thanks to Ken and Ahorsa.
Best wishes
Richard

fernando · 2nd November 2022, 03:25 PM

Interested Party · 2nd November 2022, 05:10 PM

What is the second knife? Post 1900? Handle material? Wire wrap missing on handle. Pommel in shape of a crown. I can't make out what is depicted in the three panels showing on the eight-sided pommel. Hunters horn on guard? Do I see a double headed eagle in the blade etching? Austrian or Russian, I can't tell? The claws do not seem to be holding any objects.

Gonzoadler · 3rd November 2022, 12:12 PM

Hello,

the dagger with the ivory grip is a dagger for members of the German Imperial Automobil-Corps.

Regards
Robin

1st November 2022, 05:33 PM	#1
Richard G Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 402	Two daggers These recently sold in the UK for £2250 (with commission and taxes that's nearly £3000). Seems a lot to me. I don't want to start a discussion on whether they were worth it or not, but it would indicate to me that at least two persons saw value that I didn't. Can anyone enlighten me? Best wishes Richard Attached Images

1st November 2022, 06:12 PM	#2
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 532	Hi Richard The top one is a WWII commando Fairbairn–Sykes dagger second pattern, desirable, I am not up on prices but mine cost around xxxx pounds 15 years ago This model has the chequered grip and not the more common ringed grip (3rd pattern) From the picture though it does not look to have an etched Wilkinson panel which was on the very early 2nd pattern knives. The really valuable Fairbairn–Sykes dagger are the 1st pattern has a s shaped cross guard, these cost xxxx. I have no idea on the bottom knife though. Regards Ken Last edited by Kmaddock; 2nd November 2022 at 10:54 AM.

2nd November 2022, 06:33 AM	#3
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 348	The other dagger is a (unusual?) German imperial navy cadet dagger. Kind regards Last edited by AHorsa; 2nd November 2022 at 09:29 AM.

2nd November 2022, 08:26 AM	#4
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,637	Absolutely no price discussions here, Gentlemen; you are breaking the rules ... and taking a risk. . Last edited by fernando; 2nd November 2022 at 11:05 AM. Reason: Spell

2nd November 2022, 05:10 PM	#9
Interested Party Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Eastern Sierra Posts: 382	What is the second knife? Post 1900? Handle material? Wire wrap missing on handle. Pommel in shape of a crown. I can't make out what is depicted in the three panels showing on the eight-sided pommel. Hunters horn on guard? Do I see a double headed eagle in the blade etching? Austrian or Russian, I can't tell? The claws do not seem to be holding any objects. Attached Images

2nd November 2022, 10:53 AM	#5
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 532	Apologies Fernando, I did not think my comments were pushing what is allowed and I purposefully left them very generic, I will edit my post accordingly Regards Ken

2nd November 2022, 11:05 AM	#6
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,637

2nd November 2022, 02:51 PM	#7
Richard G Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 402	Thank you Ken and Ahorsa. Sorry Fernando, I didn't want to start a discussion on prices, but the price did indicate that one or the other of these, or both, were very desirable knives. I was trying to find out what made them so. I think I can work it out thanks to Ken and Ahorsa. Best wishes Richard

2nd November 2022, 03:25 PM	#8
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,637

3rd November 2022, 12:12 PM	#10
Gonzoadler Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Germany Posts: 239	Hello, the dagger with the ivory grip is a dagger for members of the German Imperial Automobil-Corps. Regards Robin

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