Seeking Help with Excavated 1728 Pattern Bilbo Sword

JoeCanada42 · 26th February 2023, 08:20 PM

this sword looks and seems amazing to me, looks like the sword got a tattoo somewhere exotic, to me looks like spiders or ants transporting eggs..

fernando · 26th February 2023, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeCanada42

this sword looks and seems amazing to me, looks like the sword got a tattoo somewhere exotic, to me looks like spiders or ants transporting eggs..

Is that what you see, Joe ? Weird !

JoeCanada42 · 26th February 2023, 08:34 PM

I know right... but I am being honest.
what do you see first glance?
aside from the fleur de Lis on top.
(the fleur de Lis looks to me, a little zoomorphic like an, Aso)

fernando · 26th February 2023, 08:39 PM

We all have different eyes; some more imaginative than others !

toaster5sqn · 26th February 2023, 11:44 PM

There appears to be the remains of a pean at the end of the tang suggesting that the tang is complete. This suggests that the guard is not original to the blade since the shell mount doesn't fit over the ricasso and the remaining tang behind the quillons is far to short.

Robert

Radboud · 27th February 2023, 12:39 AM

I agree with Robert; the blade doesn't belong to this guard. In the examples, I've seen the ricasso (in the correct meaning of the term) is straight-sided and there is a secondary shoulder where the tang goes into the grip:

G. Mansfield · 28th February 2023, 07:48 PM

Thank you for your thoughts. The tang in total is about 5" where 2" is riccaso and the remaining 3" of grip/pommel. This does seem short, too small for me use but somebody with smaller hands possibly. What about the other irregularity with the location of the screw holes? Could this be a French/ Dutch replicated guard in the pattern 1728?

Geoffrey

27th February 2023, 12:39 AM	#6
Radboud Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: New Zealand Posts: 226	I agree with Robert; the blade doesn't belong to this guard. In the examples, I've seen the ricasso (in the correct meaning of the term) is straight-sided and there is a secondary shoulder where the tang goes into the grip: Attached Images

28th February 2023, 07:48 PM	#7
G. Mansfield Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Posts: 78	Thank you for your thoughts. The tang in total is about 5" where 2" is riccaso and the remaining 3" of grip/pommel. This does seem short, too small for me use but somebody with smaller hands possibly. What about the other irregularity with the location of the screw holes? Could this be a French/ Dutch replicated guard in the pattern 1728? Geoffrey Attached Images

26th February 2023, 08:20 PM	#1
JoeCanada42 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Canada Posts: 259	this sword looks and seems amazing to me, looks like the sword got a tattoo somewhere exotic, to me looks like spiders or ants transporting eggs..

26th February 2023, 08:34 PM	#3
JoeCanada42 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Canada Posts: 259	I know right... but I am being honest. what do you see first glance? aside from the fleur de Lis on top. (the fleur de Lis looks to me, a little zoomorphic like an, Aso)

26th February 2023, 08:39 PM	#4
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,652	We all have different eyes; some more imaginative than others !

26th February 2023, 11:44 PM	#5
toaster5sqn Member Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: New Zealand Posts: 68	There appears to be the remains of a pean at the end of the tang suggesting that the tang is complete. This suggests that the guard is not original to the blade since the shell mount doesn't fit over the ricasso and the remaining tang behind the quillons is far to short. Robert