Bag Lady Kampilan

Spunjer · 18th April 2020, 06:05 PM

haha, thanks Ian! now i have to research where Indo-China was. would that be the modern day Vietnam?

Ian · 18th April 2020, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunjer

haha, thanks Ian! now i have to research where Indo-China was. would that be the modern day Vietnam?

Roughly what is now Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia.

Ian · 18th April 2020, 06:46 PM

The coin to the left is intriguing and I'm working on it. The one to the left of it is also interesting. There is no clear inscription, but the crowned royal shield with two lions rampant in the upper right and lower left quadrant first appeared on the coins of Carlos III (reigned 1759-1788). This one could be an 18th C. coin.

Battara · 18th April 2020, 08:12 PM

What a great piece!

I have seen this ukkil/okir on Maguindanao weaponry as well.

Like you I wonder if this guy was a convert to Catholic Christianity (some did), or if this was a cumulation of different talismans from different places. Did he trade in places where some of these empires touched the region (Dutch, English, China, etc.)?

I also wonder if it is an early 1900s piece passed down as pusaka and later generations added to it up into WWII?

Battara · 18th April 2020, 08:22 PM

The Catholic medallion has the Madonna and Christ Child on the back and on the front, it says, "Alphonsus Maria de Liguori".

Wikipedia says this:

"St. AlphonAlphonsus Liguori (1696–1787), sometimes called Alphonsus Maria de Liguori or Saint Alphonsus Liguori, was an Italian Catholic bishop, spiritual writer, composer, musician, artist, poet, lawyer, scholastic philosopher, and theologian.

He founded the Congregation of the Most Holy Redeemer, known as the Redemptorists, in November 1732. In 1762 he was appointed Bishop of Sant'Agata dei Goti. A prolific writer, he published nine editions of his Moral Theology in his lifetime, in addition to other devotional and ascetic works and letters. Among his best known works are The Glories of Mary and The Way of the Cross, the latter still used in parishes during Lenten devotions.

He was canonized in 1839 by Pope Gregory XVI and proclaimed a Doctor of the Church by Pope Pius IX in 1871. One of the most widely read Catholic authors, he is the patron saint of confessors."

Spunjer · 18th April 2020, 09:02 PM

with all the coins, seems like this particular piece is more of a numismatist's dream, no?
Jose, that's one possiblity, about being a pusaka, although i've never heard of adding trinkets as it goes down from father to son. but then again, who knows?

understand too, that if it's indeed a Suluanon kampilan, Jolo port was actually a busy international port back in the days, albeit it was waning at the turn of the century. a lot of traders from all over Asia, Middle East and Europeans. some of these traders actually stayed and made Sulu their home. Capt Schuck from Germany for one, the Tan Family from China, etc.
here's another thing that crossed my mind... why didn't the original owner use any American or Filipino coin from that era? it was a common thing back then to use those due to their high silver content, and for their 'bling' effect.

i do know this: that particular medallion is popular among the Filipinos. since when, i have no idea.

Rick · 18th April 2020, 11:19 PM

What a great collection of talismans for one sword!

Sajen · 18th April 2020, 11:29 PM

Wow, what a stunning kampy!

Could the christian aluminium medallion a part from a rosary?

Regards,
Detlef

18th April 2020, 06:05 PM	#1
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	haha, thanks Ian! now i have to research where Indo-China was. would that be the modern day Vietnam?

18th April 2020, 06:46 PM	#3
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,043	The coin to the left is intriguing and I'm working on it. The one to the left of it is also interesting. There is no clear inscription, but the crowned royal shield with two lions rampant in the upper right and lower left quadrant first appeared on the coins of Carlos III (reigned 1759-1788). This one could be an 18th C. coin.

18th April 2020, 08:12 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	What a great piece! I have seen this ukkil/okir on Maguindanao weaponry as well. Like you I wonder if this guy was a convert to Catholic Christianity (some did), or if this was a cumulation of different talismans from different places. Did he trade in places where some of these empires touched the region (Dutch, English, China, etc.)? I also wonder if it is an early 1900s piece passed down as pusaka and later generations added to it up into WWII?

18th April 2020, 08:22 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	The Catholic medallion has the Madonna and Christ Child on the back and on the front, it says, "Alphonsus Maria de Liguori". Wikipedia says this: "St. AlphonAlphonsus Liguori (1696–1787), sometimes called Alphonsus Maria de Liguori or Saint Alphonsus Liguori, was an Italian Catholic bishop, spiritual writer, composer, musician, artist, poet, lawyer, scholastic philosopher, and theologian. He founded the Congregation of the Most Holy Redeemer, known as the Redemptorists, in November 1732. In 1762 he was appointed Bishop of Sant'Agata dei Goti. A prolific writer, he published nine editions of his Moral Theology in his lifetime, in addition to other devotional and ascetic works and letters. Among his best known works are The Glories of Mary and The Way of the Cross, the latter still used in parishes during Lenten devotions. He was canonized in 1839 by Pope Gregory XVI and proclaimed a Doctor of the Church by Pope Pius IX in 1871. One of the most widely read Catholic authors, he is the patron saint of confessors."

18th April 2020, 09:02 PM	#6
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	with all the coins, seems like this particular piece is more of a numismatist's dream, no? Jose, that's one possiblity, about being a pusaka, although i've never heard of adding trinkets as it goes down from father to son. but then again, who knows? understand too, that if it's indeed a Suluanon kampilan, Jolo port was actually a busy international port back in the days, albeit it was waning at the turn of the century. a lot of traders from all over Asia, Middle East and Europeans. some of these traders actually stayed and made Sulu their home. Capt Schuck from Germany for one, the Tan Family from China, etc. here's another thing that crossed my mind... why didn't the original owner use any American or Filipino coin from that era? it was a common thing back then to use those due to their high silver content, and for their 'bling' effect. i do know this: that particular medallion is popular among the Filipinos. since when, i have no idea.

18th April 2020, 11:19 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,268	What a great collection of talismans for one sword!

18th April 2020, 11:29 PM	#8
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,569	Wow, what a stunning kampy! Could the christian aluminium medallion a part from a rosary? Regards, Detlef