Proposed German Cultural Property Protection Law: likely problem for ethnographic arms and armor collectors

Tim Simmons · 1st August 2015, 09:41 AM

The Taliban and Isis destroy historical artifacts as do our "Western," governments;what is the difference in these cases ?

Interesting point of view. However the "Western" judicial vandalism only happens when you export the items. The vandalism is carried out in the attempt to save for the worlds future generations, endangered flora and fauna. I do not think it comperes to the destruction of art to deny the worlds people of their past. I fear this is bit of mission creep from the original topic.

ariel · 1st August 2015, 12:10 PM

Under this law, a work of art looted by the Nazis and residing in German hands ( private or public) can no longer be returned to the legal heirs. Having spent 70+ years on the German soil, it will obviously acquire a mystical aura of a German "cultural object" :-(((

Not long ago a similar logic was used to deny claims of legal heirs against a "collection" of a former Nazi, officially responsible for actual confiscation of art objects from the Jews sent to Auschwitz.

Now it will no longer be a "logical legal argument"; it will be an official German law.

castellum aquilonis · 11th August 2015, 11:31 PM

Interesting article:
http://www.muenzenwoche.de/de/News/4?&id=3566
F. Schlusswort
Den wahren Gesetzeszweck hat Frau Grütters ehrlich geäußert: „in Deutschland den Ankauf des Staates für Antiken und Münzen sowie sonstige Kunstwerke durch Marktbeschränkungen so billig als möglich zu machen.“ Ist dies: „Freiheit statt Sozialismus“?

Closing Remarks
The true purpose of the law Grütters expressed honestly : " To make the purchase of the state for antiquities and coins and other works of art by market restrictions as cheaply as possible in Germany" is this: " Freedom instead of socialism " ?

silberschatzimsee · 12th August 2015, 12:26 AM

yes its purposely done to get their hands onto the "Volkseigentum" (citizen-belongings)

sooner or later also our governemenr will follow.

1st August 2015, 12:10 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Under this law, a work of art looted by the Nazis and residing in German hands ( private or public) can no longer be returned to the legal heirs. Having spent 70+ years on the German soil, it will obviously acquire a mystical aura of a German "cultural object" :-((( Not long ago a similar logic was used to deny claims of legal heirs against a "collection" of a former Nazi, officially responsible for actual confiscation of art objects from the Jews sent to Auschwitz. Now it will no longer be a "logical legal argument"; it will be an official German law. Last edited by ariel; 1st August 2015 at 12:46 PM.

11th August 2015, 11:31 PM	#3
castellum aquilonis Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 47	.... Interesting article: http://www.muenzenwoche.de/de/News/4?&id=3566 F. Schlusswort Den wahren Gesetzeszweck hat Frau Grütters ehrlich geäußert: „in Deutschland den Ankauf des Staates für Antiken und Münzen sowie sonstige Kunstwerke durch Marktbeschränkungen so billig als möglich zu machen.“ Ist dies: „Freiheit statt Sozialismus“? Closing Remarks The true purpose of the law Grütters expressed honestly : " To make the purchase of the state for antiquities and coins and other works of art by market restrictions as cheaply as possible in Germany" is this: " Freedom instead of socialism " ?

1st August 2015, 09:41 AM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,741	The Taliban and Isis destroy historical artifacts as do our "Western," governments;what is the difference in these cases ? Interesting point of view. However the "Western" judicial vandalism only happens when you export the items. The vandalism is carried out in the attempt to save for the worlds future generations, endangered flora and fauna. I do not think it comperes to the destruction of art to deny the worlds people of their past. I fear this is bit of mission creep from the original topic.

12th August 2015, 12:26 AM	#4
silberschatzimsee Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 90	yes its purposely done to get their hands onto the "Volkseigentum" (citizen-belongings) sooner or later also our governemenr will follow.