Help requested on Islamic? inscriptions on a heavy axe

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by DavidFriedman

Here is a page from a Turkish book, that illustrates these axes.

Well, I have this Turkish book and many weapons are labelled as Ottomans and they are not.

It's a classic. Iranians and Indians are doing the same, everything in their country has to be from their country. I don't know if it is a mistake or just nationalism.

The axe posted is attributed to the Ottomans based on the Royal Ontario mistake.

This axe is Persian, probably for religious or theatrical representations.

IMO

[DavidFriedman]

Persian, possibly presented to, or kept in the Ottoman collection?

I see lots of light dervish and Shiite type (I’m assuming) axes. This one is like a sledgehammer, between 4-5 lbs. Seems heavy for a wandering dervish or theater.

I wonder if it could have been used like a mace to crush armor.

If it was used in a religious event, what would it have been used for I wonder.

Originally Posted by Kubur

Well, I have this Turkish book and many weapons are labelled as Ottomans and they are not.

It's a classic. Iranians and Indians are doing the same, everything in their country has to be from their country. I don't know if it is a mistake or just nationalism.

The axe posted is attributed to the Ottomans based on the Royal Ontario mistake.

This axe is Persian, probably for religious or theatrical representations.

IMO

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by DavidFriedman

Persian, possibly presented to, or kept in the Ottoman collection?

Sorry David I missed your post.

You are correct, many Persian and Caucasian weapons are in Turkish collections.
See post 22
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...0&postcount=22

Post 18 shows real Turkish axes
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...3&postcount=18

Post 17 close ups show decorations, calligraphy and the bird of prey are designs from Indo Persian repertoire, nothing Ottoman there.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...2&postcount=17

Originally Posted by DavidFriedman

If it was used in a religious event, what would it have been used for I wonder.

Just for processions and parades I guess...

[DavidFriedman]

Thanks. So the bird of prey motif shown on these axes, is distinct to just Persia?

Originally Posted by Kubur

Sorry David I missed your post.

You are correct, many Persian and Caucasian weapons are in Turkish collections.
See post 22
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...0&postcount=22

Post 18 shows real Turkish axes
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...3&postcount=18

Post 17 close ups show decorations, calligraphy and the bird of prey are designs from Indo Persian repertoire, nothing Ottoman there.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...2&postcount=17



Just for processions and parades I guess...

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by DavidFriedman

Thanks. So the bird of prey motif shown on these axes, is distinct to just Persia?

Correct the bird with a prey or the leopard with a prey /gazelle are common on axes and Iranian daggers, or indo persian arms. Look at mine here.