yatagan hilt and scabbard, opinion welcomed

Gonzoadler · 4th May 2021, 08:53 PM

With the new photos I would say even the velvet is old.
It has a decorative stitching which is hard to craft and convincingly signs of wear.
The bright colour is no knock-out-criterion.
With the old photos I had'nt believed that.
Very nice piece, dont change anything

And if you don't like it, I do.

Regards
Robin

francantolin · 5th May 2021, 06:41 AM

Thank you Marius and Robin for your comments !

Good idea for the make a post just for the translation,
I'll try to make good pics, not always easy with my camera ,

kwiatek · 5th May 2021, 01:51 PM

An owner's inscription:

sahib mehmed ağa
tawakkaltu 'ala allah 1243

"The owner Mehmed Ağa.
I put my trust in God. 1243 (1827-8)"

Verses in cartouches

On the left, Arabic verses:

يا خفي الالطاف
نجنا مما نخاف

ya khafi al-altaf
najina mimma nakhaf

On the right, Turkish verses:

Adem geldi kadem basdı cihana
Ecel geldi bıçak ucu (?) bahane

"Mankind comes and places his foot in this world,
The tip (?) of a knife can be the excuse for his departure"

The Turkish verses are a variation on an inscription that you see on tombstones, but with what looks like 'the tip of a knife' substituted by 'a headache'! The word that I've read as 'tip' is not very clearly written, it might be something else. I've never seen this inscription on a yataghan before, thanks for sharing.

francantolin · 5th May 2021, 02:21 PM

Thank's a lot Kwiatek !!!!!
Really interesting

Saracen · 10th May 2021, 09:19 PM

1827 is a very interesting date for the Yatagan.
Only one year has passed since the liquidation of the Janissary Ojak.
At this time, the population actively destroyed any janissary attributes, including the tombstones of the janissaries.
For the former Janissaries and the Bektashi Order (99 Orta as part of the Janissary Ojak), Albania became a refuge at that time.
I think it is allows very carefully to assume that Albania is the site of the appearance of the Yatagan with this date.

4th May 2021, 08:53 PM	#1
Gonzoadler Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Germany Posts: 239	With the new photos I would say even the velvet is old. It has a decorative stitching which is hard to craft and convincingly signs of wear. The bright colour is no knock-out-criterion. With the old photos I had'nt believed that. Very nice piece, dont change anything And if you don't like it, I do. Regards Robin Last edited by Gonzoadler; 4th May 2021 at 09:28 PM.

5th May 2021, 01:51 PM	#3
kwiatek Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 153	An owner's inscription: sahib mehmed ağa tawakkaltu 'ala allah 1243 "The owner Mehmed Ağa. I put my trust in God. 1243 (1827-8)" Verses in cartouches On the left, Arabic verses: يا خفي الالطاف نجنا مما نخاف ya khafi al-altaf najina mimma nakhaf On the right, Turkish verses: Adem geldi kadem basdı cihana Ecel geldi bıçak ucu (?) bahane "Mankind comes and places his foot in this world, The tip (?) of a knife can be the excuse for his departure" The Turkish verses are a variation on an inscription that you see on tombstones, but with what looks like 'the tip of a knife' substituted by 'a headache'! The word that I've read as 'tip' is not very clearly written, it might be something else. I've never seen this inscription on a yataghan before, thanks for sharing. Last edited by kwiatek; 5th May 2021 at 02:08 PM.

5th May 2021, 06:41 AM	#2
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 831	Thank you Marius and Robin for your comments ! Good idea for the make a post just for the translation, I'll try to make good pics, not always easy with my camera ,

5th May 2021, 02:21 PM	#4
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 831	Thank's a lot Kwiatek !!!!! Really interesting

10th May 2021, 09:19 PM	#5
Saracen Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 147	1827 is a very interesting date for the Yatagan. Only one year has passed since the liquidation of the Janissary Ojak. At this time, the population actively destroyed any janissary attributes, including the tombstones of the janissaries. For the former Janissaries and the Bektashi Order (99 Orta as part of the Janissary Ojak), Albania became a refuge at that time. I think it is allows very carefully to assume that Albania is the site of the appearance of the Yatagan with this date.