Lacaille Pistol

CutlassCollector · 2nd January 2024, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

... And what French letters are written that brought to the 'elder' conclusion ?

Hi Fernando,

I'm just going on google translate for Ainé - but correct me if that is wrong!

fernando · 2nd January 2024, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CutlassCollector

Hi Fernando,

I'm just going on google translate for Ainé - but correct me if that is wrong!

Correct

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So, the 'younger' (son ?) was already operating at the time. Interesting.

corrado26 · 2nd January 2024, 01:25 PM

Lacaille l'ainé was Lacaille, Michel Charles *1799 and working at Blois in 1847; he was the son of Lacaille, Michel-Leclerc. (l'ainé is the French word for "the first born").

fernando · 2nd January 2024, 02:25 PM

A prize for Udo, the best

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CutlassCollector · 2nd January 2024, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by corrado26

Lacaille l'ainé was Lacaille, Michel Charles *1799 and working at Blois in 1847; he was the son of Lacaille, Michel-Leclerc. (l'ainé is the French word for "the first born").

Thank you, Udo, such good information!

But that seems to indicate a connection with Lacaille as gunmakers rather than suppliers. Perhaps they were both?

I am wondering if the lack of a makers name on the lock plate is an indication that it has been converted from flintlock to percussion. I don't know how to tell. Does the plate get replaced? The wood to metal fit around the lock is certainly not as good as the other side.

corrado26 · 2nd January 2024, 05:16 PM

The arrow marks a place on the lock plate that looks as if the screw hole for the screw of the former battery spring was located there. This would prove that this is a former flintlock pistol that was converted to the percussion system. It would be conceivable that in this case the signature of the lock plate was removed after it had been softened.

Fernando K · 2nd January 2024, 06:43 PM

Regarding what Corrado says, which is a modification of the spark key, you cannot clearly see the plug of the threaded hole of the frizzen spring. Nor can it be seen where the hole in his spike would have been. A better photograph would be needed, and above all, of the inside of the key. In addition, the threaded hole in the frizzen would be missing, which would have to be seen. Additionally, if it is a spark modification, the method followed for placing the bomblet or mascot, for placing the chimney, should be seen on the barrel.

fernando · 2nd January 2024, 06:47 PM

You will also pardon me Udo, but i find it hard to process that this pistol has a converted system

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corrado26 · 3rd January 2024, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by corrado26

The arrow marks a place on the lock plate that looks as if the screw hole for the screw of the former battery spring was located there.

What I wanted to say is, that this pistol eventually has been converted

CutlassCollector · 3rd January 2024, 10:41 AM

Hi Udo, now I understand and I have examined that area closely and there is no sign of a previous screw hole.

I think that my lack of knowledge in this area has hindered the discussion! but I have learnt a lot and added a beautiful pistol to my collection.

So, gentlemen, thank you all for your interest and for sharing your knowledge.

Regards,
CC

2nd January 2024, 05:16 PM	#6
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,171	The arrow marks a place on the lock plate that looks as if the screw hole for the screw of the former battery spring was located there. This would prove that this is a former flintlock pistol that was converted to the percussion system. It would be conceivable that in this case the signature of the lock plate was removed after it had been softened. Attached Images

2nd January 2024, 01:25 PM	#3
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,171	Lacaille l'ainé was Lacaille, Michel Charles *1799 and working at Blois in 1847; he was the son of Lacaille, Michel-Leclerc. (l'ainé is the French word for "the first born").

2nd January 2024, 02:25 PM	#4
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,645	A prize for Udo, the best .

2nd January 2024, 06:43 PM	#7
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 664	Regarding what Corrado says, which is a modification of the spark key, you cannot clearly see the plug of the threaded hole of the frizzen spring. Nor can it be seen where the hole in his spike would have been. A better photograph would be needed, and above all, of the inside of the key. In addition, the threaded hole in the frizzen would be missing, which would have to be seen. Additionally, if it is a spark modification, the method followed for placing the bomblet or mascot, for placing the chimney, should be seen on the barrel.

2nd January 2024, 06:47 PM	#8
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,645	You will also pardon me Udo, but i find it hard to process that this pistol has a converted system .

3rd January 2024, 10:41 AM	#10
CutlassCollector Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Scotland Posts: 322	Hi Udo, now I understand and I have examined that area closely and there is no sign of a previous screw hole. I think that my lack of knowledge in this area has hindered the discussion! but I have learnt a lot and added a beautiful pistol to my collection. So, gentlemen, thank you all for your interest and for sharing your knowledge. Regards, CC