Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Keris Warung Kopi

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 6th April 2019, 02:19 PM   #1
sirek
Member
 
sirek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 165
Default madura patrem

From the box that I had bought ,
keris 1 (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=24660)

keris 2: a keris madura patrem
Unfortunately with: a Ganja-missing but with a kul buntet and a square pesi
At first i thought the gandar had been repaired (through the black ring) but upon closer inspection it seems that it is a sort of kendit in the wood? It is no paint, on some points the wood structure runs slightly through the black.
Attached Images
        
sirek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th April 2019, 02:34 PM   #2
David
Keris forum moderator
 
David's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 7,012
Default

Interesting patrem. I am especially intrigued by the pesi. Not only is it squared off, but the heavier bit right at base of the blade is something i have not seen before.
I am not yet completely convinced that the gonjo is missing. This might be gonjo iras.
David is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 6th April 2019, 03:18 PM   #3
sirek
Member
 
sirek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 165
Default

I thought that the ganja had sat on the heavier bit right at base?
sirek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th April 2019, 05:42 PM   #4
David
Keris forum moderator
 
David's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 7,012
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sirek
I thought that the ganja had sat on the heavier bit right at base?
I suppose that is possible, but since i have never seen this feature used a a means to lock a gonjo in place i can't really confirm nor deny such a possibility. Perhaps someone else has seen something like this before.
David is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 6th April 2019, 10:15 PM   #5
A. G. Maisey
Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 6,675
Default

David, the enlargement of the pesi at its base is in fact common and the gonjo does fit around it. A gonjo can be fixed in a few ways, you can file a key-way into the gonjo hole and drive in a key, or you can use a punch and expand the meeting faces of the gonjo and pesi, I will not go into the other ways. If you want to use either of these ways to fix a pesi, the enlarged base of the pesi and provision of a shoulder on the pesi assists fixing.

Sirek, the joint between the top part of the wrongko (atasan,gambar) and the bottom part (gandar) has been filled with a mixture of glue and sawdust, the wrongko was not originally intended for this blade and it was necessary to alter the angle of the gandar to atasan. Again, this is a pretty common fix, and a good fix, the cheaper fix is to fill the gap with button shellac.
A. G. Maisey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th April 2019, 01:51 PM   #6
sirek
Member
 
sirek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 165
Default

thanks for the comment and the clarification,
sirek is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:32 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.