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Old 31st March 2021, 09:45 PM   #1
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Default National Museum of Finland. Helsinki. A humble sword

good day.
in the exposition of this museum there are several bright swords, which are described in various monographs and so on, for example the sword from Sountaki .. but about this sword that I noted in the photo, for some reason no one has ever explained anything, probably simply because on there are no beautiful ornaments and unusual devices, crosshairs and pommels,. but he also looks not quite standard, I wonder if there will be any opinions on this subject ,?
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Old 1st April 2021, 09:36 PM   #2
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Actually, the hilt of this sword was originally quite ornate - it is only plain in comparison with its neighbour in this photo. The hilt is silver-plated, and inlaid with Scandinavian interlace designs (Urnes style). There are number of swords of this style found in the Eastern Baltic region; one has been published in both Oakeshott's Records of the Medieval Sword and Peirce's Swords of the Viking Age. The shape of the guard is unusual though, the only exact analogue I am familiar with came from Latvia, and is now in the Army Museum in Paris.
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Old 2nd April 2021, 12:53 AM   #3
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good afternoon, thank you very much for your reply and such nice photos,
in fact, apart from these items, I did not find anything like that, that is, these swords are of type VI according to Wheeler
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Old 20th December 2021, 06:39 PM   #4
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good afternoon, I came across such a fragment on one of the forums in the archive, a find from the 90s from the river, it is interesting that the crosshair is iron, and the pommel is bronze, it seems to be of the Baltic Curonian type, or it just looks like
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Old 23rd December 2021, 03:54 PM   #5
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They remember me of the swords from Xth century Spanish "Beatos" comentaries to the Apocalipsis.

Ada Bruhm de Hoffmeyer made a recopilation of these swords images in his first volume of The Sword in Spain. I will try to make a shot later.

Of course vikings attacked both, christians (Santiago) and muslims (Seville). So they fit to the idea of apocalyptic raiders.
On the other hand monks just copied previous codex copies, they never saw the real thing.
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Old 23rd December 2021, 07:12 PM   #6
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Yes, indeed, local local regional variations are surprisingly diverse, although they mostly fit into well-known typologies, you wrote and showed this in a very unusual and interesting form, I really liked it, thank you
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Old 24th December 2021, 01:13 AM   #7
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From Ada Bruhm-Hoffmeyer Arms and Armour in Spain, vol I.
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good afternoon, thanks a lot, really.
and in spite of the schematic conventionality of the images, we still see many recognizable types, it is catchy.
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Old 10th January 2022, 01:48 AM   #9
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To me, this looks rather like a type Z (Petersen typology). See p. 261 of Marks of Fire, Value, and Faith. This would be a late viking age sword.

Do you have the KM number for the sword? We might be able to find out more about it.
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