Unknown sabre

asomotif · 28th October 2020, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cel7

I honestly doubt that. It's too well made to be a tourist sabre or something like that. Then the same sabre wouldappear more often.

Interesting : If it is well made it can't be for tourists ?
If it is well made and appears often it is a tourist item ?

I have never seen a sword like this before.
The craftmenship does not look like handwork to me.
The japanese features as mentioned are not a pre in my opinion.

Best regards,
Willem

cel7 · 28th October 2020, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

Interesting : If it is well made it can't be for tourists ?
If it is well made and appears often it is a tourist item ?

I have never seen a sword like this before.
The craftmenship does not look like handwork to me.
The japanese features as mentioned are not a pre in my opinion.

Best regards,
Willem

I mean that if it was made for the tourist market, there would be several copies in circulation.
But I maybe i'm wrong and was it made for the tourist market after all.

asomotif · 29th October 2020, 12:01 AM

Do you have a picture of the complete weapon in the scabbard and out of the scabbard ?

cel7 · 29th October 2020, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

Do you have a picture of the complete weapon in the scabbard and out of the scabbard ?

Here are some extra pictures

Kubur · 29th October 2020, 08:16 AM

I don't like the word tourist, I think decorative would be better.
Question: do you have a sharp blade? The clip point blade is not Japanese.
About the argument
"tourist sabre or something like that. Then the same sabre would appear more often"
could be turn into
"real sword would appear more often"...
Is someone know if Japanese did such kind of swords?
Or if the Chinese did this kind of fantasy swords?
It's a nice sword btw

cel7 · 29th October 2020, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

I don't like the word tourist, I think decorative would be better.
Question: do you have a sharp blade? The clip point blade is not Japanese.
About the argument
"tourist sabre or something like that. Then the same sabre would appear more often"
could be turn into
"real sword would appear more often"...
Is someone know if Japanese did such kind of swords?
Or if the Chinese did this kind of fantasy swords?
It's a nice sword btw

the blade is reasanobly sharp but not sharp enough to fillet a fish with

.
Maybe we should indeed asume that it is a fantasy sword of some kind. Or someone must provide proof for a different explanation.

David · 29th October 2020, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

I don't like the word tourist, I think decorative would be better.
Question: do you have a sharp blade? The clip point blade is not Japanese.
About the argument
"tourist sabre or something like that. Then the same sabre would appear more often"
could be turn into
"real sword would appear more often"...
Is someone know if Japanese did such kind of swords?
Or if the Chinese did this kind of fantasy swords?
It's a nice sword btw

No one ever suggested this was a Japanese sword. Peter identified this as a JAVANESE sword. I'm not sure why everyone seems to have dismissed this notion. Peter is fairly well versed in Indonesian weapons. I believe he is probably correct, or it is at least Indonesian. I don't know for sure that it can be tied to keraton officials as i have not seen another one like this, but i don't think this is a "fantasy sword". The peacock at the top of the scabbard is indeed a known motif used often on pendoks for keris. The fanged face at the tip of the scabbard looks like a kala to me. The bird head pommel is most likely a garuda. Not any fantasy iconology at work here.
Clip point blades like this are well known to the area. This blade looks very much like a clip point klewang.

asomotif · 29th October 2020, 11:15 PM

It is the techniques, form and style that are puzzling me.

The casted hilt, rivited with 2 rivits
The scabbard of brass, made of 2 halves and soldered together
The kala (?) head at the bottom, also soldered
The screw at the bottom.
The japanese style blade. indeed with a clip point. but the overal impression to me is that of a katana.
The lock system, well where have I seen that before. again the katana.

The techniques suggest that it has been made in some kind of series, this is definately not a unique piece of hand work. I wonder if more turn up.
Keep an eye on ALiexpess

29th October 2020, 12:01 AM	#3
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,221	Do you have a picture of the complete weapon in the scabbard and out of the scabbard ?

29th October 2020, 08:16 AM	#5
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	I don't like the word tourist, I think decorative would be better. Question: do you have a sharp blade? The clip point blade is not Japanese. About the argument "tourist sabre or something like that. Then the same sabre would appear more often" could be turn into "real sword would appear more often"... Is someone know if Japanese did such kind of swords? Or if the Chinese did this kind of fantasy swords? It's a nice sword btw

29th October 2020, 11:15 PM	#8
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,221	It is the techniques, form and style that are puzzling me. The casted hilt, rivited with 2 rivits The scabbard of brass, made of 2 halves and soldered together The kala (?) head at the bottom, also soldered The screw at the bottom. The japanese style blade. indeed with a clip point. but the overal impression to me is that of a katana. The lock system, well where have I seen that before. again the katana. The techniques suggest that it has been made in some kind of series, this is definately not a unique piece of hand work. I wonder if more turn up. Keep an eye on ALiexpess