Maximilian close helmetfor ID

batjka · 1st January 2017, 03:31 AM

What kind of suspension would have been used in such helmets? Surely, there must have been something to keep the head from bouncing inside the helmet.

Have you tried it on?

CSinTX · 3rd January 2017, 03:03 PM

My knowledge of armor is limited but I am intrigued by the pattern of marks all over this helmet. Was this normal for this style? What would be their purpose or origin?

fernando · 3rd January 2017, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CSinTX

My knowledge of armor is limited but I am intrigued by the pattern of marks all over this helmet. Was this normal for this style? What would be their purpose or origin?

I am certain that Marcus has made a safe deal and this is not a well built late reproduction, given the price such genuine helmets may cost. Say Marcus, hasn't the seller given you evidence of its authencity ?

CSinTX · 3rd January 2017, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

and this is not a well built late reproduction,

Could it be an earlier reproduction? Maybe 19th C? I don't really know, I just found the pattern of the marks interesting.

Marcus den toom · 3rd January 2017, 07:38 PM

It has come to my attention that some people question my original post about the age. As to its provenance, i do not know i bought it at auction without further information other than there assumption it is 19th century.
Some other members told me they know for sure it can't be original, others claim it is.
All i wanted was to verify my own interpretation which differs from auctions most of the time... and i hope that most of you can agree here that auctions don't know everything if anything at all especially about such items as this close helmet.

Please make this a real discussion and not something behind the curtains, because if that is the way things need to go, i am out!

No than, here are some original pieces of armour (as far as i know) with similar markings.

Marcus den toom · 3rd January 2017, 07:42 PM

ps Batjka, Yes i tried it on, but my head is to big.. sadly

The liner would have been something like this is suppose.

Marcus den toom · 3rd January 2017, 07:49 PM

I specifically looked at tournament armour (stegzeuge) because of the probability of damages.
If anyone has other period armour with damages, please post these. This would be very enlightening.

3rd January 2017, 03:03 PM	#2
CSinTX Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 233	My knowledge of armor is limited but I am intrigued by the pattern of marks all over this helmet. Was this normal for this style? What would be their purpose or origin? Attached Images

3rd January 2017, 07:38 PM	#5
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 494	It has come to my attention that some people question my original post about the age. As to its provenance, i do not know i bought it at auction without further information other than there assumption it is 19th century. Some other members told me they know for sure it can't be original, others claim it is. All i wanted was to verify my own interpretation which differs from auctions most of the time... and i hope that most of you can agree here that auctions don't know everything if anything at all especially about such items as this close helmet. Please make this a real discussion and not something behind the curtains, because if that is the way things need to go, i am out! No than, here are some original pieces of armour (as far as i know) with similar markings. Attached Images

3rd January 2017, 07:42 PM	#6
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 494	ps Batjka, Yes i tried it on, but my head is to big.. sadly The liner would have been something like this is suppose. Attached Images

3rd January 2017, 07:49 PM	#7
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 494	I specifically looked at tournament armour (stegzeuge) because of the probability of damages. If anyone has other period armour with damages, please post these. This would be very enlightening. Attached Images

1st January 2017, 03:31 AM	#1
batjka Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 39	What kind of suspension would have been used in such helmets? Surely, there must have been something to keep the head from bouncing inside the helmet. Have you tried it on?