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4th November 2013, 10:05 PM | #1 |
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What can I say other than I am speechless? What a great find, and I'm so glad it went to someone who posts here, as I wouldn't have learned about the abbreviated/blunt sarimanok pommel being a consistently executed form.
I have one with a similar form pommel (albeit wood) as well, and once i find pictures I'll post them on the thread to contribute. Again, great find, Jose. I wish I'd bid more on it when it was up, but I'm glad it went to you. EDIT: What would the chances be that this actually is Datu Piang's Kris? I'm thinking that since he died prior to WWII, he could have passed it on to a relative who may have had to replace the scabbard at some point. Are there any other shots of Piang and his Kris we can use for reference to see just how similar the hilts are? Last edited by ThePepperSkull; 4th November 2013 at 10:50 PM. |
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other than that, the ukkils are eerily similar. heck, everything else is similar. i mean, for those that collects moro krises, has anyone ever seen two krises that are THIS similar??? which begs another question: does the ring closest to the pommel somewhat loose, or by any chance, moveable??? |
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5th November 2013, 12:08 AM | #3 |
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Well the ring/band below the pommel is held there by twisted silver wire at the front. It is not actually a ring. I agree that there are some small differences in the 2, but again minor.
I too wonder if this could have been owned by Piang....... Here are 2 other pictures of another metal pommel kris worn by Datu Piang - one is a close up of the other: |
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5th November 2013, 12:48 AM | #5 |
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Well, besides the rings difference there is also a difference on the upper ukil of both krises. The spine of the asang-asang's stirrup is very visible and it look like it was connected to the top ring of the handle. Maybe, after Piang's death, who ever inherited his sword, managed to dismantle the handle and removed the frit side clamp and stirrup? preferred a single instead of two?
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5th November 2013, 01:30 AM | #6 |
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I do not know if this will help, but here is a side by side of the three hilt photos.
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CCual thanks for finding a sharper and more complete picture than mine. Robert thank you for the comparison pictures.
Also notice that the kris in Datu Piang's hand has metal straps going up 2 opposite sides of the hilt where as mine doesn't have any. |
6th November 2013, 04:11 AM | #8 |
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Ok boys and girls. It looks some things have changed.
First the good news: upon further clean up I have discovered remnants of a second silver baca-baca clamp on the back of the blade. Now the bad news: that means I'll now have to take the hilt off again and make a brand new silver baca-baca, attempting to match the other one. Also the remains of a silver strap on the present baca-baca - not sure if it went up into the hilt or up the sides of the hilt like in the Datu Piang's picture. It seems to be getting closer and closer to looking exactly like the one in the picture. |
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Hello Jose, Not trying to be the wet blanket here, but the only way that your example could be the one shown in the photo of Datu Piang would be if the orange swassa filigree section has been replaced. Both hilts are very simalar but not quite the same. This is just my personal opinion on these hilts and I am by NO means an expert on kris or for that matter anything else. I will leave with a question though. Could this possibly be another of the Datu's kris but just one that is more ornate than the one in the photo?
Best, Robert |
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