NEW HEBRIDES CLUB FORMS

Battara · 19th September 2016, 11:12 PM

Fascinating! I see some similarity in form to those further east in eastern Polynesian regions.

VANDOO · 20th September 2016, 05:15 PM

THANKS FOR THE COMMENT JOSE , FEW ARE MADE ON THESE POSTS

THERE IS QUITE A LOT OF VARIATION IN CLUBS FROM THE VARIOUS ISLAND GROUPS IN THE AREA. LIFE WAS MUCH THE SAME FROM ISLAND TO ISLAND BUT CUSTOMS AND ESPECIALLY REGALIA AND WEAPONS THOUGH SIMILAR COULD VARY QUITE A LOT. THESE CLUBS HAVE ENOUGH LENGTH FOR A FENCING AND PARRYING STYLE OF COMBAT INSTEAD OF CLOSE IN FIGHTING. THEY ARE LIGHT WEIGHT NOT LARGE BONE CRUSHERS OR BREAKERS LIKE THOSE FROM SOME ISLANDS NOTABLY FIJI. I WOULD CLASSIFY THEM AS MACE LIKE IN FUNCTION AND DUE TO THE LENGTH AND WEIGHT A FAST WEAPON. I DON'T KNOW THE MEANING OF THE CARVED DECORATION ON SOME OF THE BUTTS OF THESE CLUBS BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW IT IS UNIQUE TO OLDER NEW HEBRIDES CLUBS.
PERHAPS SOME OTHER MEMBERS MAY ADD A FEW OF THEIR CLUBS.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 21st September 2016, 02:57 AM

Hello Vandoo.. I have to say that your chosen specialty is indeed amazing. This is where it all began and I find your posts excellent though I have no idea where to begin in supporting it..I have a brilliant book on the subject but its in German!! I understand that in the two clubs shown below the more ornate lighter brown one is much older...
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

VANDOO · 22nd September 2016, 11:39 PM

THE BROWN PADDLE SHAPED CLUB YOU SHOW IS SHOWN IN SECTION ONE PAGE 139 OF EDGE PARTINGTON'S EXCELLENT BOOK. THE ONE PICTURED IS AN EXCELLENT OLD EXAMPLE OF A RARER FORM OF NEW HEBRIDES CLUB.
THE SECOND CLUB IS OF A TYPE SEEN MORE OFTEN IN VARYING FORMS.
THE CLUBS WITH THE FLAT BUTT WITH A CARVED DESIGN MAY COME MOSTLY FROM ERROMANGO ISLAND, NEW HEBRIDES. THANKS FOR POSTING THEM.

THE FIRST TWO PICTURED IN THE POST MAY COME FROM TANNA ISLAND. I SUSPECT SIMILAR CLUBS WERE FOUND ON ISLANDS IN THE REGION DUE TO WAR BOOTY , TRADE OR COPYING THE FORM.
PICTURE #1. #2. & #3. A UNUSUAL NEW HEBRIDES CLUB FORM , THE CLOSEST I HAVE FOUND TO IT IS IN PARTINGTONS ON PAGE 135 FIRST SECTION.

VANDOO · 18th October 2016, 01:50 AM

PICTURE #1., #2., #3. ONE OF MY CLUBS. NEW HEBRIDES , EITHER API OR MALLICOLLA ISLAND. 43 INCHES LONG. MISSING THE LUG AT THE BUTT OF THE CLUB AND THE FIBER AND HUMAN HAIR CORD WRAP. GOOD PATINA A LARGE HEAVY CLUB IRONWOOD. PICTURE #5 CLUB BUTT WOULD BE SIMILAR IF COMPLETE.
#4., #5., #6. 40 INCHES, PENTECOST OR AMBRYN ISLAND NEW HEBRIDES.
#7., #8., #9. TWO VARIATIONS OF MY NEW HEBRIDES CLUBS
#10., # 11., #12. ANOTHER VARIATION OF MINE SHOWING THE DESIGN ON THE CLUB BUTT. AND THE CLUB WITH TWO OTHER NEW HEBRIDES CLUBS.

VANDOO · 22nd October 2016, 04:02 AM

A FEW MORE CLUBS IDENTIFIED AS FROM NEW HEBRIDES. THESE FORMS PROBABLY OCCUR ON OTHER GROUPS OF ISLANDS IN THE AREA AS WELL.
#1., #2., #3. TWO CLUB VARIATIONS
#4., #5., #6. TWO MORE SIMILAR VARIATIONS.
#7. 1774 OLD WEAPONS PRINT, VANUATU

VANDOO · 14th December 2016, 09:14 PM

#1. PICTURE OF MAP SHOWING NEW HEBRIDES SPECIFICALLY
#2. PICTURE OF THE REGION SHOWING OTHER ISLAND GROUPS.
#3. & #4 MY CLUB IDENTIFIED AS FROM NEW BRITAIN, SULKA TRIBE BUT IS VERY SIMILAR TO A NEW HEBRIDES CLUB SHOWN ABOVE BUT MINE IS MORE RECENT BUT NOT NEW.

BANDOOK · 15th December 2016, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

PICTURE #1., #2., #3. ONE OF MY CLUBS. NEW HEBRIDES , EITHER API OR MALLICOLLA ISLAND. 43 INCHES LONG. MISSING THE LUG AT THE BUTT OF THE CLUB AND THE FIBER AND HUMAN HAIR CORD WRAP. GOOD PATINA A LARGE HEAVY CLUB IRONWOOD. PICTURE #5 CLUB BUTT WOULD BE SIMILAR IF COMPLETE.
#4., #5., #6. 40 INCHES, PENTECOST OR AMBRYN ISLAND NEW HEBRIDES.
#7., #8., #9. TWO VARIATIONS OF MY NEW HEBRIDES CLUBS
#10., # 11., #12. ANOTHER VARIATION OF MINE SHOWING THE DESIGN ON THE CLUB BUTT. AND THE CLUB WITH TWO OTHER NEW HEBRIDES CLUBS.

HI VANDOO
HERE IS ONE WHICH I OWN SIMILAR TO YOUR TYPE,ITS QUIET HEAVY BUT DONT KNOW AGE,COULD BE USED AS A CEREMONIAL CLUB AS OPPOSED TO A WAR CLUB.
LENGTH IS 47 INCHES
WIDTH 3 INCHES

VANDOO · 15th December 2016, 06:23 PM

A VERY NICE EXAMPLE AND WITH NO DAMAGE. MY EXAMPLE IS MADE OF A VERY HEAVY HARD WOOD AND WOULD BE TOO HEAVY FOR ANY LONG CEREMONIES OR DANCES, AT LEAST IT WOULD BE FOR ME.

I SUSPECT THEY WERE ORIGINALLY WAR CLUBS AND IN THESE TWO EXAMPLES RETAIN THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS AND FORM EVEN IF MADE AFTER THE TIMES WHEN WAR CLUBS WERE STILL IN USE. I AM SURE THE SHAPE HAS TRIBAL MEANING OR REPRESENTS SOMETHING IN THE SPIRITUAL WORLD OR NATURE A SPIRAL SHELL PERHAPS? WAS IT A SPECIAL CLUB CARRIED ONLY BY A CHIEF OR ONLY AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR ON SPECIAL OCCASIONS OR A FORM OF CLUB ANYONE COULD OWN AND USE. UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE LEFT MOSTLY WITH CONJECTURE AND GUESS ON ALL THESE QUESTIONS. THANKS FOR POSTING THE VERY COOL CLUB.

19th September 2016, 11:12 PM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,143	Fascinating! I see some similarity in form to those further east in eastern Polynesian regions.

20th September 2016, 05:15 PM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THANKS FOR THE COMMENT JOSE , FEW ARE MADE ON THESE POSTS THERE IS QUITE A LOT OF VARIATION IN CLUBS FROM THE VARIOUS ISLAND GROUPS IN THE AREA. LIFE WAS MUCH THE SAME FROM ISLAND TO ISLAND BUT CUSTOMS AND ESPECIALLY REGALIA AND WEAPONS THOUGH SIMILAR COULD VARY QUITE A LOT. THESE CLUBS HAVE ENOUGH LENGTH FOR A FENCING AND PARRYING STYLE OF COMBAT INSTEAD OF CLOSE IN FIGHTING. THEY ARE LIGHT WEIGHT NOT LARGE BONE CRUSHERS OR BREAKERS LIKE THOSE FROM SOME ISLANDS NOTABLY FIJI. I WOULD CLASSIFY THEM AS MACE LIKE IN FUNCTION AND DUE TO THE LENGTH AND WEIGHT A FAST WEAPON. I DON'T KNOW THE MEANING OF THE CARVED DECORATION ON SOME OF THE BUTTS OF THESE CLUBS BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW IT IS UNIQUE TO OLDER NEW HEBRIDES CLUBS. PERHAPS SOME OTHER MEMBERS MAY ADD A FEW OF THEIR CLUBS.

21st September 2016, 02:57 AM	#3
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Hello Vandoo.. I have to say that your chosen specialty is indeed amazing. This is where it all began and I find your posts excellent though I have no idea where to begin in supporting it..I have a brilliant book on the subject but its in German!! I understand that in the two clubs shown below the more ornate lighter brown one is much older... Ibrahiim al Balooshi. Attached Images Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 21st September 2016 at 03:09 AM.

22nd September 2016, 11:39 PM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE BROWN PADDLE SHAPED CLUB YOU SHOW IS SHOWN IN SECTION ONE PAGE 139 OF EDGE PARTINGTON'S EXCELLENT BOOK. THE ONE PICTURED IS AN EXCELLENT OLD EXAMPLE OF A RARER FORM OF NEW HEBRIDES CLUB. THE SECOND CLUB IS OF A TYPE SEEN MORE OFTEN IN VARYING FORMS. THE CLUBS WITH THE FLAT BUTT WITH A CARVED DESIGN MAY COME MOSTLY FROM ERROMANGO ISLAND, NEW HEBRIDES. THANKS FOR POSTING THEM. THE FIRST TWO PICTURED IN THE POST MAY COME FROM TANNA ISLAND. I SUSPECT SIMILAR CLUBS WERE FOUND ON ISLANDS IN THE REGION DUE TO WAR BOOTY , TRADE OR COPYING THE FORM. PICTURE #1. #2. & #3. A UNUSUAL NEW HEBRIDES CLUB FORM , THE CLOSEST I HAVE FOUND TO IT IS IN PARTINGTONS ON PAGE 135 FIRST SECTION. Attached Images

18th October 2016, 01:50 AM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	PICTURE #1., #2., #3. ONE OF MY CLUBS. NEW HEBRIDES , EITHER API OR MALLICOLLA ISLAND. 43 INCHES LONG. MISSING THE LUG AT THE BUTT OF THE CLUB AND THE FIBER AND HUMAN HAIR CORD WRAP. GOOD PATINA A LARGE HEAVY CLUB IRONWOOD. PICTURE #5 CLUB BUTT WOULD BE SIMILAR IF COMPLETE. #4., #5., #6. 40 INCHES, PENTECOST OR AMBRYN ISLAND NEW HEBRIDES. #7., #8., #9. TWO VARIATIONS OF MY NEW HEBRIDES CLUBS #10., # 11., #12. ANOTHER VARIATION OF MINE SHOWING THE DESIGN ON THE CLUB BUTT. AND THE CLUB WITH TWO OTHER NEW HEBRIDES CLUBS. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 18th October 2016 at 04:59 PM.

22nd October 2016, 04:02 AM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A FEW MORE CLUBS IDENTIFIED AS FROM NEW HEBRIDES. THESE FORMS PROBABLY OCCUR ON OTHER GROUPS OF ISLANDS IN THE AREA AS WELL. #1., #2., #3. TWO CLUB VARIATIONS #4., #5., #6. TWO MORE SIMILAR VARIATIONS. #7. 1774 OLD WEAPONS PRINT, VANUATU Attached Images

14th December 2016, 09:14 PM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	#1. PICTURE OF MAP SHOWING NEW HEBRIDES SPECIFICALLY #2. PICTURE OF THE REGION SHOWING OTHER ISLAND GROUPS. #3. & #4 MY CLUB IDENTIFIED AS FROM NEW BRITAIN, SULKA TRIBE BUT IS VERY SIMILAR TO A NEW HEBRIDES CLUB SHOWN ABOVE BUT MINE IS MORE RECENT BUT NOT NEW. Attached Images

15th December 2016, 06:23 PM	#9
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A VERY NICE EXAMPLE AND WITH NO DAMAGE. MY EXAMPLE IS MADE OF A VERY HEAVY HARD WOOD AND WOULD BE TOO HEAVY FOR ANY LONG CEREMONIES OR DANCES, AT LEAST IT WOULD BE FOR ME. I SUSPECT THEY WERE ORIGINALLY WAR CLUBS AND IN THESE TWO EXAMPLES RETAIN THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS AND FORM EVEN IF MADE AFTER THE TIMES WHEN WAR CLUBS WERE STILL IN USE. I AM SURE THE SHAPE HAS TRIBAL MEANING OR REPRESENTS SOMETHING IN THE SPIRITUAL WORLD OR NATURE A SPIRAL SHELL PERHAPS? WAS IT A SPECIAL CLUB CARRIED ONLY BY A CHIEF OR ONLY AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR ON SPECIAL OCCASIONS OR A FORM OF CLUB ANYONE COULD OWN AND USE. UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE LEFT MOSTLY WITH CONJECTURE AND GUESS ON ALL THESE QUESTIONS. THANKS FOR POSTING THE VERY COOL CLUB.