Yatagan markings

[gp]

Originally Posted by serdar

Hello Gp, thank you!

If i may ask where are you from, are you from balkan?

Thank you very much for this most interesting and excellent information!
As for myself; I am Dutch but with ties to the former Yu, which I frequently visited and even lived & worked in prior the tragic events in the 90ies.

The dolphin reminds my of Cika Joco; a dolphin which lived in the Boka Kotorska / bay of Kotor with his female compagnon in the mid 80ies and was a playmate to the local children and protected by the fishermen.

Could it perhaps be that in the past, this animal was used as a decoration due to respect and love of the people in the Mediterranean..? Just a guess though.

[serdar]

Originally Posted by gp

As for myself; I am Dutch but with ties to the former Yu, which I frequently visited and even lived & worked in prior the tragic events in the 90ies.

The dolphin reminds my of Cika Joco; a dolphin which lived in the Boka Kotorska / bay of Kotor with his female compagnon in the mid 80ies and was a playmate to the local children and protected by the fishermen.

Could it perhaps be that in the past, this animal was used as a decoration due to respect and love of the people in the Mediterranean..? Just a guess though.

Hmm, i realy dont know 100% what that head is, is it animal from mitology or real animal, but in most cases it is called azdaja.
It is a kind of monster or dragon, there are swords, some call them albanian swords, but they are a kind of ledenik, swords made in boka kotorska, handles are in silver, and on the end of a handle is a dragons head, so i think that same is with those heads on yatagans, they are some kind of mithologycal dragon or monster head.
Maybe pure decoration and perhaps maybe they are used like gargoyles are used on european cathedrals, to deter evil or bad luck from wearer of the sword?
Il atach picture of handle of sword made in boka, see the similary crafted raised silver like on ledenica pistols, allso made in boka kotorska.
There are allso venetian stiletos that are made in boka kotorska, but are very rare and expensive.

[gp]

Originally Posted by serdar

There are allso venetian stiletos that are made in boka kotorska, but are very rare and expensive.

would you have pictures of them ? I would like to see them very much !

Very rare and expensive? Just like a Crnagorka ...?
I do not mean the loza but the djevojka from Crngora; sharper than a yataghan and faster than an AK 47; deadlier ..!☺

the handle is a piece of art indeed. I believe I saw one in the museum of Risan when I showed my wife the Boka / Bay:
https://www.museummaritimum.com/eng/sala%20oruzje.htm

[serdar]

Originally Posted by gp

would you have pictures of them ? I would like to see them very much !

Very rare and expensive? Just like a Crnagorka ...?
I do not mean the loza but the djevojka from Crngora; sharper than a yataghan and faster than an AK 47; deadlier ..!☺

the handle is a piece of art indeed. I believe I saw one in the museum of Risan when I showed my wife the Boka / Bay:
https://www.museummaritimum.com/eng/sala%20oruzje.htm

Hello, yes i have one picture with them, il post it here, well venetian ones are similar but more comon and they are in range 15-20 te, so these ones will be around 20-30 te.

They are beautiful, to me more practical than venetian ones becouse they dont have i call it crown that vrnetian ones do.

But both are excellent and are works of art, there are spectacular venetian examples.ond thing that anoys me is that some museums like american museums they describe those styletos and boka kotorska weapons like persian knife or persian dagger, but museums are poor infornation source.
Museums in croatia end three so called experts are weong abozt bunch of yatagans, from way they are made to engraving techniques to years, fir example museum in split is proud that they have two yatagans from 15. Century, but they are bad filigre albanian made imitations from 20. Century, with falsely engraved year.

About sword handle, yes there are similar ones in kotor maritime museum il post you pictures from museum.

By Crnogorka you mean a Vlaho Bukovac painting?

I posted pictures of boka kotorska made stiletos, and knives, and of boka kotorska kotorski nož or pala, it is similar to yatagan but it is not yatagan.

Allso one picture is from old book on balkan weapons, picture of two swords they are called ledenik, ledenici, they are rarest of all boka kotirska made weapons, they are maybe similar to stiletos, but are not, they are sword, often called zapašnjak, they were caried by belt like yatagans and palas, and are extremely rare, in kotor there are no examples in museum, very very rare.

[gp]

Originally Posted by serdar

By Crnogorka you mean a Vlaho Bukovac painting?

thank you very much for your feedback !

By Crnogorka I dead mean loza, the brand I used to drink in the Boka and Sarajevo...
and it was good quality. Nothing compared thought to the home made I got as well to bring home...

[serdar]

Originally Posted by gp

thank you very much for your feedback !

By Crnogorka I dead mean loza, the brand I used to drink in the Boka and Sarajevo...
and it was good quality. Nothing compared thought to the home made I got as well to bring home...

Well best loza is from crna gora!

[serdar]

Originally Posted by gp

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The dolphin reminds my of Cika Joco; a dolphin which lived in the Boka Kotorska / bay of Kotor with his female compagnon in the mid 80ies and was a playmate to the local children and protected by the fishermen.

Could it perhaps be that in the past, this animal was used as a decoration due to respect and love of the people in the Mediterranean..? Just a guess though.

Picture of sword handle.