Identification help

Will M · 18th May 2020, 02:16 AM

A definite fantasy sword most likely Chinese made. So many details and main parts inaccurately portrayed. I don't know where to start, the lettering is amateurish, the quality very low and nothing points to the sword as being from any pattern.The "patina" alone points to a chemical wash. Many sand casting flaws and non descript designs. Few swords are found with their leather blade washers and fantasy swords typically have poor quality leather washers as these do.
One auction describes the sword as:
"French Gendarmerie Royale Sword with brass two bar and dish back hilt. Decorated floral back strap. Complete with its steel scabbard with decorative brass ring mounts. Steel blade with remains of ?GENDARMERIE ROYALE? wording."
When one struggles to describe such swords, the above description is what you get. Auctioneers stay clear of describing these as authentic swords. Some auctioneers will tell you low bid start price tells bidders the item is a copy/fake.

kronckew · 18th May 2020, 05:59 AM

Also: The abrupt 'point' looks very fake Chinesey. As does the blade lettering. They are fairly well known for fairly good chemical 'aging'. Bit too uniform tho.

I'd expect a better cartouche, font, and gold lettering like this Gendarmarie Royale du Canada (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) Junior Officers sword: (not mine)

clockwork · 19th May 2020, 09:12 AM

Thank you all for the help.

Evgeny_K · 21st May 2020, 02:44 PM

without a doubt, this is a modern crafted souvenir sword
fake it when something is faked, but in this case, nothing is faked

kronckew · 21st May 2020, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evgeny_K

without a doubt, this is a modern crafted souvenir sword
fake it when something is faked, but in this case, nothing is faked

Yup, it at least appears to have no fake unit, armoury, acceptance or mfg. stamps.

asomotif · 23rd May 2020, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evgeny_K

without a doubt, this is a modern crafted souvenir sword
fake it when something is faked, but in this case, nothing is faked

This sword is not an exsisting pattern sword, so in that respect you are right, and it is not a fake.
It does however pretend to be old by the aging of the metal.

I did not check all the sold items but I will be surprised if one of them was offered as "modern crafted souvernir sword".

The few that I found were all offered pretending to be something old and rare :
- WWII gilted GENDARMERIE ROYALE SWORD sharp blade saber
- GENDARMERIE ROYALE SWORD WWII SINO-JAPANESE WAR
- WW2 period French Gendarmerie Royale sword & scabbard
- Vintage Gendarmerie Royale Sword-RARE
- Japan Occupied China WWII police sword
- 18th Century WW2 Japanese Sword Asian Antique Old Iron Knife Carving w/ Mark

Best regards,

18th May 2020, 02:16 AM	#1
Will M Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: In the wee woods north of Napanee Ontario Posts: 404	A definite fantasy sword most likely Chinese made. So many details and main parts inaccurately portrayed. I don't know where to start, the lettering is amateurish, the quality very low and nothing points to the sword as being from any pattern.The "patina" alone points to a chemical wash. Many sand casting flaws and non descript designs. Few swords are found with their leather blade washers and fantasy swords typically have poor quality leather washers as these do. One auction describes the sword as: "French Gendarmerie Royale Sword with brass two bar and dish back hilt. Decorated floral back strap. Complete with its steel scabbard with decorative brass ring mounts. Steel blade with remains of ?GENDARMERIE ROYALE? wording." When one struggles to describe such swords, the above description is what you get. Auctioneers stay clear of describing these as authentic swords. Some auctioneers will tell you low bid start price tells bidders the item is a copy/fake. Last edited by Will M; 18th May 2020 at 02:39 AM.

18th May 2020, 05:59 AM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	Also: The abrupt 'point' looks very fake Chinesey. As does the blade lettering. They are fairly well known for fairly good chemical 'aging'. Bit too uniform tho. I'd expect a better cartouche, font, and gold lettering like this Gendarmarie Royale du Canada (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) Junior Officers sword: (not mine) Attached Images

19th May 2020, 09:12 AM	#3
clockwork Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 96	Thank you all for the help.

21st May 2020, 02:44 PM	#4
Evgeny_K Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 216	without a doubt, this is a modern crafted souvenir sword fake it when something is faked, but in this case, nothing is faked