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5th October 2010, 07:15 PM
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Dating correct but no marks at all.
These are simple ornaments only, based on Late Gothic and Early Renaissance trefoil and quadrifoil decorative elements, and heavily stylized by 1600. The haft should be of ash or oak. Best, Michael |
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5th October 2010, 07:32 PM
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Right, no markings.
How long of a haft would be average for these? I've seen up to 2.5 meters, perhaps more. |
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5th October 2010, 08:31 PM
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Relatively exactly 280-290 cm for 1600, with laterally incised lines along the four edges.
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13th October 2010, 02:18 PM
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1440's German Polearms
From a German painting Christ's Way of the Cross, 1440-1445, Hessisches Landesmuseum Darmstadt.
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13th October 2010, 02:45 PM
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Also, the length of 280-290 cm., would that be just the haft, before the actual head? I'm gearing up to start making a new haft for mine, and want to be as close to the historical side of it as possible. Thanks! |
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13th October 2010, 04:19 PM
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Hi Dmitry,
Oh man, you sure caused me a whole lot of trouble taking these pics ...  The overall length including the iron spike should be ca. 280-290 cm for a halberd of ca. 1600. I do not own such a late sample, though. Mine are, first wall, from top: - a Styrian Froschmaulspieß, early 16th c., length 3.20 m, from the Landeszeughaus Graz, and retaining an inventory stamp of the Metropolitan Museum N.Y. of ca. 1900 - an extremely rare Maximilian soldier's halberd, ca. 1500, 2.50 m a Styrian halberd of ca. 1580, retaining its rare original raw silk tassels, 2.78 m Second wall, from left: - a South German Landsknecht halberd, ca. 1530, length 2.30 m - another, ca. 1540, 2.45 m Now you can set off to work! Best, Michael |
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13th October 2010, 04:52 PM
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Hi Michl,
Do i see some resemblance between the decor of your Styrian halberd and mine?! I understand this is the north Italian decoration fashion, although my halberd was (also) made in Styria, the smith being Pankraz Thaller, with workshop in nearby Hall. - |
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13th October 2010, 05:18 PM
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Hi 'Nando,
Great piece, this one! Exactly, the style of the iron parts is influenced by the Italian late Renaissance taste, as is my piece, and the velvet covered haft is decorated in the Italian fashion. Maybe Pankraz Thaller also made these for Italian dealers and arsenals. There are hundreds of halberds by Thaller in the Graz arsenal but not a single one with a velvet covering, nor is one known in any other Austrian arsenal. That's why I believe your halberd could have been hafted in Northern Italy as Thaller probably only furnished the irons. Ca. 1580, depending on the length of the spike, and very nice! Could we please see the whole piece?  Best, Michael |
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