one more keris

danny1976 · 18th February 2010, 06:14 PM

Hi Chrugu,

This type is what the cal madura keris.

Maybe its brougt back in the 50,s by a soldier.

Regards,

Danny

Rick · 18th February 2010, 07:07 PM

The wrongko style is called Gabilan if I recall correctly .
Very nice carving .

Marcokeris · 19th February 2010, 05:15 AM

nice

sirek · 19th February 2010, 03:34 PM

i have patrem madura keris that has the same characteristics.

total length 31cm/12.2 in.
blade length 17cm/6.7 in.

it has 3 empu "thumbprints"

(comments are welkom)

GIO · 19th February 2010, 06:45 PM

Sirek,
nice old keris. Hilt and wrangka are worn out as we very seldom see.
Surprisingly the pendok seems to have no bruise.
Unfortunately finger prints are not visible.
The blade seems very rusted in the crack: I would definitely eliminate rust before seeing the blade destroyed.

brekele · 20th February 2010, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

The wrongko style is called Gabilan if I recall correctly .
Very nice carving .

Maduranese call Deng udengan / Urang urangan for this kind of warangka's style.

Amuk Murugul · 21st February 2010, 06:25 AM

Hullo everybody,

Brekele, a nice nick/handle. German or Eastern Java? If Eastern Java, does it bear any relationship to 'shining' and 'bamboo'? (Just curious

)

Best,

ronpakis · 21st February 2010, 07:38 AM

hello all,

it is probably part of a javanese earstud. a subang or suweng. these earstuds are put together from several parts. this looks like the ring with the stones around the central stone. see the photo. a 'screw' holds the parts normally together. many of them are torn apart for the stones. sometimes diamonds, intan, glass etc. i hope it (photo) is clear enough.

greetings ron

sirek · 21st February 2010, 09:54 AM

Thanks Ron for clear up this mystery mendak

The part that is used as a mendak does seem indeed a part of such earplug, that explains also the cup form.

but because it is still a culture item from the region, I let him be and will not replaced him for another mendak.

(normal mendaks are also too large)

brekele · 21st February 2010, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amuk Murugul

Hullo everybody,

Brekele, a nice nick/handle. German or Eastern Java? If Eastern Java, does it bear any relationship to 'shining' and 'bamboo'? (Just curious

)

Best,

This is other example of warangka Deng Udengan (Shape of shrimp) with central carved motif called Rangkerangan (shell & snail?). The hilt’s style is called Tumenggungan , It’s a symbol of Kuda Panuli (Panuli horse).

@Amuk Murugul : I stil dont get it really about your questions.

David · 21st February 2010, 10:17 PM

Here is a more recent edition of this sheath form with a flying horse hilt, mid-late 20th century most likely.

brekele · 21st February 2010, 10:58 PM

I believe the hilt of this keris madura is new style (modern style) . Because most all of maduranese keris has only symbol’s shape of animals.
For example Donoriko hilt, It’s syimbolize of Gajah (Elephant) or Kojuk Renget hilt , The hilt that symbolize of Kutilang Bersiul (Kutilang = Name of bird , Bersiul = whistle )
and many other hilts.

Marcokeris · 22nd February 2010, 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brekele

This is other example of warangka Deng Udengan (Shape of shrimp) with central carved motif called Rangkerangan (shell & snail?). The hilt’s style is called Tumenggungan , It’s a symbol of Kuda Panuli (Panuli horse).

@Amuk Murugul : I stil dont get it really about your questions.

It seems to have a beautiful patina.Congraturation

A. G. Maisey · 22nd February 2010, 10:17 AM

Brekele, from your posts I have formed the opinion that you are very familiar with the Madurese language and with Madurese keris related terminology .

You have told us that the name used in Madura for the type of warangka shown here is either deng udengan or urang urangan.

I have noted that over the last 10 or 15 years names and attributes used by some sellers of principally Madurese keris have varied from names and attributes that I became acquainted with in the years between 1985 and 1995, when I visited both Sumenep and Pamekesan on a number of occasions

For instance, at that time, the capu kagok form of ladrangan warangka was acknowledged as a legitimate Madurese form, shared with Surakarta, however, now I find that some people wish to place this form in East Jawa, and call it an East Javanese Ladrangan.

The Sumenep Ladrangan form was referred to as a Ladrangan back prior to 1995, however, I now find that some people want to call it Daunan --- in other words, a warangka with a "daun", referring to the wide leaf shaped projection of a ladrangan warangka.

During my visits to Sumenep I visited the Karaton musium on a number of occasions. In that musium there were examples of various types of warangkas attributable to Sumenep. Two of those warangkas were identified as "gabilan", and "brahmana rsi". These warangka types were the only types on display with heavily carved atasans, and the most easily recognisable difference between them was that the brahmana rsi form was a little larger than the gabilan form.

Before reading your recent posts, I would have been inclined to identify the warangkas shown in posts 1, 7, 18, and 19 as gabilan, and the warangka shown in post 5 as sandang walikat.

Now, my question to you is this:-

can you please explain the difference between the warangkas that you have identified as either deng udengan or urang urangan, and the warangkas of the forms gabilan and brahmana rsi

or perhaps what we are looking at is a language level variation?

a variation where in lower level language "deng udengan" is used, and in the language of the court uses "gabilan" ?

As your knowledge of the Madurese language is clearly far in advance of my own, and I assume most other people here, I would greatly appreciate it if could clarify this matter for us.

Thank you.

19th February 2010, 03:34 PM	#4
sirek Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 170	i have patrem madura keris that has the same characteristics. total length 31cm/12.2 in. blade length 17cm/6.7 in. it has 3 empu "thumbprints" (comments are welkom) Attached Images

21st February 2010, 07:38 AM	#8
ronpakis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 75	mendak hello all, it is probably part of a javanese earstud. a subang or suweng. these earstuds are put together from several parts. this looks like the ring with the stones around the central stone. see the photo. a 'screw' holds the parts normally together. many of them are torn apart for the stones. sometimes diamonds, intan, glass etc. i hope it (photo) is clear enough. greetings ron Attached Images

21st February 2010, 10:17 PM	#11
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	Here is a more recent edition of this sheath form with a flying horse hilt, mid-late 20th century most likely. Attached Images

21st February 2010, 10:58 PM	#12
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	I believe the hilt of this keris madura is new style (modern style) . Because most all of maduranese keris has only symbol’s shape of animals. For example Donoriko hilt, It’s syimbolize of Gajah (Elephant) or Kojuk Renget hilt , The hilt that symbolize of Kutilang Bersiul (Kutilang = Name of bird , Bersiul = whistle ) and many other hilts. Attached Images

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18th February 2010, 06:14 PM	#1
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Hi Chrugu, This type is what the cal madura keris. Maybe its brougt back in the 50,s by a soldier. Regards, Danny

18th February 2010, 07:07 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	The wrongko style is called Gabilan if I recall correctly . Very nice carving .

19th February 2010, 05:15 AM	#3
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	nice

19th February 2010, 06:45 PM	#5
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 329	Sirek, nice old keris. Hilt and wrangka are worn out as we very seldom see. Surprisingly the pendok seems to have no bruise. Unfortunately finger prints are not visible. The blade seems very rusted in the crack: I would definitely eliminate rust before seeing the blade destroyed.

21st February 2010, 06:25 AM	#7
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 472	Hullo everybody, Brekele, a nice nick/handle. German or Eastern Java? If Eastern Java, does it bear any relationship to 'shining' and 'bamboo'? (Just curious ) Best,

21st February 2010, 09:54 AM	#9
sirek Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 170	Thanks Ron for clear up this mystery mendak The part that is used as a mendak does seem indeed a part of such earplug, that explains also the cup form. but because it is still a culture item from the region, I let him be and will not replaced him for another mendak. (normal mendaks are also too large)

22nd February 2010, 10:17 AM	#14
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Brekele, from your posts I have formed the opinion that you are very familiar with the Madurese language and with Madurese keris related terminology . You have told us that the name used in Madura for the type of warangka shown here is either deng udengan or urang urangan. I have noted that over the last 10 or 15 years names and attributes used by some sellers of principally Madurese keris have varied from names and attributes that I became acquainted with in the years between 1985 and 1995, when I visited both Sumenep and Pamekesan on a number of occasions For instance, at that time, the capu kagok form of ladrangan warangka was acknowledged as a legitimate Madurese form, shared with Surakarta, however, now I find that some people wish to place this form in East Jawa, and call it an East Javanese Ladrangan. The Sumenep Ladrangan form was referred to as a Ladrangan back prior to 1995, however, I now find that some people want to call it Daunan --- in other words, a warangka with a "daun", referring to the wide leaf shaped projection of a ladrangan warangka. During my visits to Sumenep I visited the Karaton musium on a number of occasions. In that musium there were examples of various types of warangkas attributable to Sumenep. Two of those warangkas were identified as "gabilan", and "brahmana rsi". These warangka types were the only types on display with heavily carved atasans, and the most easily recognisable difference between them was that the brahmana rsi form was a little larger than the gabilan form. Before reading your recent posts, I would have been inclined to identify the warangkas shown in posts 1, 7, 18, and 19 as gabilan, and the warangka shown in post 5 as sandang walikat. Now, my question to you is this:- can you please explain the difference between the warangkas that you have identified as either deng udengan or urang urangan, and the warangkas of the forms gabilan and brahmana rsi or perhaps what we are looking at is a language level variation? a variation where in lower level language "deng udengan" is used, and in the language of the court uses "gabilan" ? As your knowledge of the Madurese language is clearly far in advance of my own, and I assume most other people here, I would greatly appreciate it if could clarify this matter for us. Thank you.