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M ELEY · 25th January 2010, 08:24 AM

Hello Richard and welcome to the forum! Absolutely beautiful swords you have there. However did you acquire them? Are you an ancestor to the original owner?

Norman McCormick · 25th January 2010, 08:13 PM

Hi Richard,
Welcome, having read your monographs on the 1796 H.C. Officers sword and the 1796 L.C. sabre I know your input will be interesting. I look forward to seeing and hearing more about the above swords. Once again welcome to the Forum.
My Regards,
Norman.

celtan · 25th January 2010, 08:18 PM

Welcome Richard. Beautiful swords..!

Your name sounds awfully familiar. Have we corresponded before..?

Best

Manuel L. Iravedra

Jim McDougall · 25th January 2010, 08:51 PM

Hi Richard, and welcome aboard!!!!
Its great to have you with us, and these British swords you've posted,
now thats what I'm talkin' about!!! Breathtaking

As has been mentioned, your superbly researched and written articles that have appeared over many years stand as excellent resources for collectors and weapons historians, and reflect your devotion to these studies. I truly look forward to your input in the discussions here, and thank you so much for posting these fabulous examples.

What is really interesting with these beautiful, and provenanced swords is that they show chronological development of the sword patterns for the swords used by heavy cavalry officers. With this kind of provenance it is like finding vintage currency in serial sequence!!

Again, my sincerest welcome, and thank you for joining us here!!!

All very best regards,
Jim

fernando · 26th January 2010, 10:11 PM

Hi Richard,
Welcome to the forum

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... and you may tell those three excelent swords that they are welcome, too

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Fernando

Ian Knight · 27th January 2010, 11:33 AM

Hello Richard,
Superb swords. I'm very envious.
Ian

Richard · 27th January 2010, 10:14 PM

Thanks to all for your welcome!

The swords I posted for no other reason than to show where my interests lie. Re the swords and other questions:

M Eley - I acquired them about 4 years ago. They had been sleeping in an attic in Middlesborough in the UK for the previous 35 years!

Manuel - Maybe you know me from another forum? (where I no longer post)

Jim - you've hit the nail on the head! the swords are a great illustration of the development of the heavy cavalry sword over the last quarter of the 18th century and the first quarter of the 19th century. The centre sword is dated 1782, at which time Hugonin was a Captain in the 4th Dragoons. It is also of course a P1788 heavy cavalry sword (no anomaly there since the pattern was based on existing examples). The left hand sword is a P1796 Heavy Cavalry Officer's sword made by James Woolley in Birmingham c. 1797. At that time, Hugonin was Lt. Col. commanding the 4th. The right hand sword is a non-regulation pattern known as the Celtic Hilt, dating from around 1815. This pattern is particularly associated with the 4th Dragoons. At that time Hugonin had the regimental rank of Colonel and the brevet rank of Lieutenant-General

Richard

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25th January 2010, 08:24 AM	#1
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,159	Hello Richard and welcome to the forum! Absolutely beautiful swords you have there. However did you acquire them? Are you an ancestor to the original owner?

25th January 2010, 08:13 PM	#2
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,618	Hi Richard, Welcome, having read your monographs on the 1796 H.C. Officers sword and the 1796 L.C. sabre I know your input will be interesting. I look forward to seeing and hearing more about the above swords. Once again welcome to the Forum. My Regards, Norman.

25th January 2010, 08:18 PM	#3
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	Welcome Richard. Beautiful swords..! Your name sounds awfully familiar. Have we corresponded before..? Best Manuel L. Iravedra

25th January 2010, 08:51 PM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,284	Hi Richard, and welcome aboard!!!! Its great to have you with us, and these British swords you've posted, now thats what I'm talkin' about!!! Breathtaking As has been mentioned, your superbly researched and written articles that have appeared over many years stand as excellent resources for collectors and weapons historians, and reflect your devotion to these studies. I truly look forward to your input in the discussions here, and thank you so much for posting these fabulous examples. What is really interesting with these beautiful, and provenanced swords is that they show chronological development of the sword patterns for the swords used by heavy cavalry officers. With this kind of provenance it is like finding vintage currency in serial sequence!! Again, my sincerest welcome, and thank you for joining us here!!! All very best regards, Jim

26th January 2010, 10:11 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi Richard, Welcome to the forum . ... and you may tell those three excelent swords that they are welcome, too . Fernando

27th January 2010, 11:33 AM	#6
Ian Knight Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: East Sussex, England. Posts: 103	Hello Richard, Superb swords. I'm very envious. Ian

27th January 2010, 10:14 PM	#7
Richard Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Aquae Sulis, UK Posts: 46	Thanks to all for your welcome! The swords I posted for no other reason than to show where my interests lie. Re the swords and other questions: M Eley - I acquired them about 4 years ago. They had been sleeping in an attic in Middlesborough in the UK for the previous 35 years! Manuel - Maybe you know me from another forum? (where I no longer post) Jim - you've hit the nail on the head! the swords are a great illustration of the development of the heavy cavalry sword over the last quarter of the 18th century and the first quarter of the 19th century. The centre sword is dated 1782, at which time Hugonin was a Captain in the 4th Dragoons. It is also of course a P1788 heavy cavalry sword (no anomaly there since the pattern was based on existing examples). The left hand sword is a P1796 Heavy Cavalry Officer's sword made by James Woolley in Birmingham c. 1797. At that time, Hugonin was Lt. Col. commanding the 4th. The right hand sword is a non-regulation pattern known as the Celtic Hilt, dating from around 1815. This pattern is particularly associated with the 4th Dragoons. At that time Hugonin had the regimental rank of Colonel and the brevet rank of Lieutenant-General Richard