Sengkelat vs. Parungsari

mykeris · 29th June 2009, 12:56 PM

Yes I like kris with 13 luks and I intend to collect them, I am a bit confused too, on both of these dapurs. Perhaps, we should raise the questions: why are there many versions of Parung Sari, what is Parung Sari or its origin or may be its functions as compared to the legendary Sengkelat. Perhaps, its beneficial to see photos of Sengkelat and various versions of Parung Sari posted to this forum..Looking forward to see.

Greybeard · 29th June 2009, 01:24 PM

Hello Mykeris

I agree, photos would help to illustrate the features (ricikan) of the two dapurs resp. the differences between them.

Regards,

Heinz

mykeris · 2nd July 2009, 07:56 AM

Could it be Parungsari?

Greybeard · 2nd July 2009, 08:27 AM

Hello Mykeris

Thank you for providing the pictures. To me these appear to be Sengkelat (I see one lambe gajah only). But I may be wrong ...

Regards,

Heinz

Greybeard · 3rd July 2009, 10:15 AM

An IMO extremely beautiful keris dapur Parungsari (type B) is pictured on the cover page of "Ensiklopedi Keris" by Bambang Harsrinuksmo ...

Greybeard · 6th July 2009, 05:53 AM

I would be very interested to know when the dapurs Sengkelat and Parungsari appeared first or when these dapurs were "invented".

Regards,

Heinz

ganjawulung · 7th July 2009, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Greybeard

I would be very interested to know when the dapurs Sengkelat and Parungsari appeared first or when these dapurs were "invented".

A legend version was reported too in Groneman's book, Der Kris der Javaner. Quite details. He quoted source from "Pararaton" (old book on Singasari, during Ken Arok period and so on, translated from ancient javanese language by J Brandes), karaton Yogya manuscripts and also books on keris dapur from FL Winters (1871).

According to Groneman's version, keris Sangkelat was a keris commisioned by Sunan Lepen (I think, the complete name is Sunan Sekar Seda Lepen, a Sunan of Demak kingdom in the 16th century). Empu Supa who had made it (but of course, which Supa? So many Supa's name in keris).

Groneman also wrote, the Kyai Sangkelat keris once had been stolen to Blambangan -- in the extreme east of Jawa...

GANJAWULUNG

29th June 2009, 12:56 PM	#1
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Yes I like kris with 13 luks and I intend to collect them, I am a bit confused too, on both of these dapurs. Perhaps, we should raise the questions: why are there many versions of Parung Sari, what is Parung Sari or its origin or may be its functions as compared to the legendary Sengkelat. Perhaps, its beneficial to see photos of Sengkelat and various versions of Parung Sari posted to this forum..Looking forward to see. Last edited by mykeris; 29th June 2009 at 02:37 PM. Reason: correction

3rd July 2009, 10:15 AM	#5
Greybeard Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Switzerland Posts: 124	Parungsari An IMO extremely beautiful keris dapur Parungsari (type B) is pictured on the cover page of "Ensiklopedi Keris" by Bambang Harsrinuksmo ...

6th July 2009, 05:53 AM	#6
Greybeard Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Switzerland Posts: 124	How old are Sengkelat and Parungsari? I would be very interested to know when the dapurs Sengkelat and Parungsari appeared first or when these dapurs were "invented". Regards, Heinz

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29th June 2009, 01:24 PM	#2
Greybeard Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Switzerland Posts: 124	Hello Mykeris I agree, photos would help to illustrate the features (ricikan) of the two dapurs resp. the differences between them. Regards, Heinz

2nd July 2009, 08:27 AM	#4
Greybeard Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Switzerland Posts: 124	Hello Mykeris Thank you for providing the pictures. To me these appear to be Sengkelat (I see one lambe gajah only). But I may be wrong ... Regards, Heinz