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|  14th May 2009, 06:08 PM | #11 | 
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			From: Flavius Vegetius Renatus, De re mlitari (On military equipment), 1512. Note the curved quillons as a pre-stage to the figure 8 Katzbalger quillons which do not seem to have evolved before ca. 1510. Michael | 
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