Help Identify this Sword

Jeff D · 28th April 2009, 02:09 AM

Hi All, its been awhile

,

I can't add much to what Jim has already printed, but, its not a one off. Here is another in better shape.

http://flintlocksarsenal.blogspot.com/2008/09/dosr.html

I would be looking for a possible German-American Organization?

I hope this helps
Jeff

Jim McDougall · 28th April 2009, 02:57 AM

WOW! Hey Jeff, there you are, I thought the UFO's got ya!!!!

Tom, I told ya, these guys are good!!!!

All the best,
Jim

Jeff D · 28th April 2009, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

WOW! Hey Jeff, there you are, I thought the UFO's got ya!!!!

Hi Jim, worse than UFO's.... work

. Could be worse though. I did a quick google and think this may help. I think it is a German American group in Columbus Ohio ? Note the Gothic DOSR. Hopefully this will get Tom started.

All the Best
Jeff

Tom · 28th April 2009, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

WOW! Hey Jeff, there you are, I thought the UFO's got ya!!!!

Tom, I told ya, these guys are good!!!!

All the best,
Jim

Yes, very good, I have searched the net over and I never found anything close.
Even with the info provided which I greatly appreciate, I still am lost, sorry, I'm just a dumb'ol country boy searching and not really knowing what to search for.
so far we know the sword is a 19th century sword, correct?

Will it ever be possible to know how this sword ended up in the mud of my home town of Pocomoke's river?
How it may have made it's way here. etc.
Was it dropped from Jeff's UFO? LOL J/K

Thanks Guys this is fascinating to me

Jeff D · 28th April 2009, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom

Yes, very good, I have searched the net over and I never found anything close.
Even with the info provided which I greatly appreciate, I still am lost, sorry, I'm just a dumb'ol country boy searching and not really knowing what to search for.
so far we know the sword is a 19th century sword, correct?

Will it ever be possible to know how this sword ended up in the mud of my home town of Pocomoke's river?
How it may have made it's way here. etc.
Was it dropped from Jeff's UFO? LOL J/K

Thanks Guys this is fascinating to me

Hi Tom,

I doubt you will ever find how it got there if you don't know where it started. Even then, the odds are against you. It is exactly these puzzles that keep most of us fascinated with these historic objects. Rent the movie 'The Red Violin'. Building up a story of the objects "life" is the goal of most of us here. I think you may have been bitten by the bug

.

All the Best
Jeff

Jim McDougall · 28th April 2009, 05:20 PM

Hi Jeff,
Excellent suggestion on the foreign fraternity groups, which I had not even thought of. The immigration in those post Civil War years well into the 1920's was unbelievable in volume, with so many nationalities represented. I know that some of my own relatives were among them in the 1870's and 80's.
Great movie too!!! "The Red Violin" , I loved that movie and that really is what its all about, what an item has to tell you, the stories of its own history. As I watched that movie intently I realized that what we do is essentially antique weapon forensics

Tom,
Did you receive my email ?

All best regards,
Jim

Tom · 28th April 2009, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Tom,
Did you receive my email ?

All best regards,
Jim

I did, Thank you and I will follow up as soon as I can.

katana · 28th April 2009, 09:21 PM

Here is a mention of the initials, unfortunately the links to the pictures do not work

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache...&ct=clnk&gl=uk

Regards David

Jim McDougall · 29th April 2009, 02:13 PM

Excellent follow up there detective David!!!! Looks like Jeff's German based organization idea was well placed. It looks like the German imported blade combined with hilt components from sundry stocks from regalia outfitters and producers put together for this apparant organization of German American representation, is quite plausible. Since we know of at least one more example with this inscription and basic style, we know of the group in Columbus. Ohio in the 1890's. Key manufacturers based in Kalamazoo,Mich. Frank Henderson not unreasonably far away.

As mentioned, how it ended up at a riverbank in Maryland is anybody's guess. If the find location was near what is or what was a picnic or camping area, certainly events sponsored by or participated in by such groups in that time period seem possible.
In more wildly speculative thoughts, perhaps kids playing with grandpas old sword near the location ? Fearful thought, but not that it ever happened

none of us would ever have thought of such antics

Jeff and David, thank you so much for helping with this, and its always great hearing from you guys!!! Jeff, I hope it lets up a little bit on you soon.

All the best,
Jim

28th April 2009, 02:09 AM	#1
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	Hi All, its been awhile , I can't add much to what Jim has already printed, but, its not a one off. Here is another in better shape. http://flintlocksarsenal.blogspot.com/2008/09/dosr.html I would be looking for a possible German-American Organization? I hope this helps Jeff Last edited by Jeff D; 28th April 2009 at 02:19 AM.

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28th April 2009, 02:57 AM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,858	WOW! Hey Jeff, there you are, I thought the UFO's got ya!!!! Tom, I told ya, these guys are good!!!! All the best, Jim

28th April 2009, 05:20 PM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,858	Hi Jeff, Excellent suggestion on the foreign fraternity groups, which I had not even thought of. The immigration in those post Civil War years well into the 1920's was unbelievable in volume, with so many nationalities represented. I know that some of my own relatives were among them in the 1870's and 80's. Great movie too!!! "The Red Violin" , I loved that movie and that really is what its all about, what an item has to tell you, the stories of its own history. As I watched that movie intently I realized that what we do is essentially antique weapon forensics Tom, Did you receive my email ? All best regards, Jim

28th April 2009, 09:21 PM	#8
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Here is a mention of the initials, unfortunately the links to the pictures do not work http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache...&ct=clnk&gl=uk Regards David

29th April 2009, 02:13 PM	#9
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,858	Excellent follow up there detective David!!!! Looks like Jeff's German based organization idea was well placed. It looks like the German imported blade combined with hilt components from sundry stocks from regalia outfitters and producers put together for this apparant organization of German American representation, is quite plausible. Since we know of at least one more example with this inscription and basic style, we know of the group in Columbus. Ohio in the 1890's. Key manufacturers based in Kalamazoo,Mich. Frank Henderson not unreasonably far away. As mentioned, how it ended up at a riverbank in Maryland is anybody's guess. If the find location was near what is or what was a picnic or camping area, certainly events sponsored by or participated in by such groups in that time period seem possible. In more wildly speculative thoughts, perhaps kids playing with grandpas old sword near the location ? Fearful thought, but not that it ever happened none of us would ever have thought of such antics Jeff and David, thank you so much for helping with this, and its always great hearing from you guys!!! Jeff, I hope it lets up a little bit on you soon. All the best, Jim