UK bans Japanese swords.

kronckew · 17th December 2007, 09:43 AM

ah, but axes are covered by the existing 'offensive weapons' laws, which cover anything with a point or blade or any other tool or device which can be reasonably expected to be able to cause harm to a person. they cannot be carried off your property without a valid reason, such as martial arts or an arms show, but it's the police & crown prosecutors who decide on the validity, not you.

if the police suspect that prohibited items under the act are in your possession, they may apply for a warrant to search your premises and seize any weapons and any others found in the pursuit of the warrant, but not directly mentioned therein, and a judge may issue an instruction to have them destroyed (even if you are found innocent) 'taking in to account the value thereof and it's impact on the accused' (?).

as there is no such thing as a 'defensive' weapon, even if you ARE on your property, using one for defence is considered as use of an offensive weapon with the intent to cause greavous bodily harm & can result in prosecution.

here's a decent linky on UK knife law: at British Knife Collecters Guild

a recent case involved a man burgled and attacked in his own home who picked up a steak knife & wounded the poor club wealding perpetrator, who said he was just trying to get away, the homeowner was prosecuted for assault with an offensive weapon and greavous bodily harm. the burglar testified for the crown & was given immunity.

what a world, what a world.....

Rich · 17th December 2007, 10:12 AM

You Brits can't be trusted with anything dangerous. Those forks with their
sharp tines are surely deadly weapons. Soon only broad wooden spoons
will be allowed. Then they'll be used to beat each other over the head.
May the gods save us from arsine politicians.

Rich

Sikh_soldier · 17th December 2007, 01:22 PM

Hmm.. following logic, i guess beer glasses and bottles will be next,

Emanuel · 17th December 2007, 02:49 PM

Just yesterday the BBC had a story about a shooting at a school in Finland and the liberal gun laws in that country. Everyone owns a gun and yet gun violence is extremely low. The reporter was asking some official or other if the country shouldn't increase restrictions on gun ownership and the man told her straight up that no law can stop a person's intent to do harm. If the shooter had not had a gun, he would have used a knife or something else. The Finns understand how things work, they don't just pass idiotic laws so show face.

I don't understand why they target "samurai" swords specifically when any SLO can do the same damage

politicians

Rich · 17th December 2007, 03:15 PM

To prove the point, Washington DC has one of the strictest gun ownership
laws in the US. No private ownership of any type of gun (handgun or rifle,
shotgun), yet it has one of the highest gun violence and gun murder rates
in the US. I think the Finns have the right idea.

rich

ariel · 17th December 2007, 04:05 PM

The two countries in the world with the highest %% of households having modern firearms, Israel and Switzerland, have the lowest firearm-connected crime rates.
But give them access to the China-made " Eximious Military Affairs Samurai Yatagans", and all the hell will break loose....

Tim Simmons · 17th December 2007, 04:36 PM

I cannot say I am bothered about these swords but it is a ridiculous knee jerk reaction. They are not my taste and an it could be seen as an erosion of personal freedom for a certain level of UK citizen. It might be through one of these swords that a person gets interested in a much more like us.

One can cry about freedom all you like, generally we do not like guns and knives in the UK {sporting guns are an exception unless you carry one around town} If you are not stupid and are aware of the fear the inappropriate public display of weapons have here in the UK you will be okay.

17th December 2007, 01:22 PM	#3
Sikh_soldier Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 87	samurai ban Hmm.. following logic, i guess beer glasses and bottles will be next,

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17th December 2007, 09:43 AM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,250	ah, but axes are covered by the existing 'offensive weapons' laws, which cover anything with a point or blade or any other tool or device which can be reasonably expected to be able to cause harm to a person. they cannot be carried off your property without a valid reason, such as martial arts or an arms show, but it's the police & crown prosecutors who decide on the validity, not you. if the police suspect that prohibited items under the act are in your possession, they may apply for a warrant to search your premises and seize any weapons and any others found in the pursuit of the warrant, but not directly mentioned therein, and a judge may issue an instruction to have them destroyed (even if you are found innocent) 'taking in to account the value thereof and it's impact on the accused' (?). as there is no such thing as a 'defensive' weapon, even if you ARE on your property, using one for defence is considered as use of an offensive weapon with the intent to cause greavous bodily harm & can result in prosecution. here's a decent linky on UK knife law: at British Knife Collecters Guild a recent case involved a man burgled and attacked in his own home who picked up a steak knife & wounded the poor club wealding perpetrator, who said he was just trying to get away, the homeowner was prosecuted for assault with an offensive weapon and greavous bodily harm. the burglar testified for the crown & was given immunity. what a world, what a world.....

17th December 2007, 10:12 AM	#2
Rich Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: comfortably at home, USA Posts: 432	You Brits can't be trusted with anything dangerous. Those forks with their sharp tines are surely deadly weapons. Soon only broad wooden spoons will be allowed. Then they'll be used to beat each other over the head. May the gods save us from arsine politicians. Rich

17th December 2007, 02:49 PM	#4
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Just yesterday the BBC had a story about a shooting at a school in Finland and the liberal gun laws in that country. Everyone owns a gun and yet gun violence is extremely low. The reporter was asking some official or other if the country shouldn't increase restrictions on gun ownership and the man told her straight up that no law can stop a person's intent to do harm. If the shooter had not had a gun, he would have used a knife or something else. The Finns understand how things work, they don't just pass idiotic laws so show face. I don't understand why they target "samurai" swords specifically when any SLO can do the same damage politicians

17th December 2007, 03:15 PM	#5
Rich Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: comfortably at home, USA Posts: 432	To prove the point, Washington DC has one of the strictest gun ownership laws in the US. No private ownership of any type of gun (handgun or rifle, shotgun), yet it has one of the highest gun violence and gun murder rates in the US. I think the Finns have the right idea. rich

17th December 2007, 04:05 PM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The two countries in the world with the highest %% of households having modern firearms, Israel and Switzerland, have the lowest firearm-connected crime rates. But give them access to the China-made " Eximious Military Affairs Samurai Yatagans", and all the hell will break loose....

17th December 2007, 04:36 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,891	I cannot say I am bothered about these swords but it is a ridiculous knee jerk reaction. They are not my taste and an it could be seen as an erosion of personal freedom for a certain level of UK citizen. It might be through one of these swords that a person gets interested in a much more like us. One can cry about freedom all you like, generally we do not like guns and knives in the UK {sporting guns are an exception unless you carry one around town} If you are not stupid and are aware of the fear the inappropriate public display of weapons have here in the UK you will be okay.