Rare Dayak Daggers - Sadop and Dohong

VVV · 10th November 2006, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

Triangel dagger we find as spear point in Indonesia the dohun is in the junboll off leiden not classified as an weapon ....
kris madjapahit ... was used as an amulet and not an ritual weapon

It's correct that the Dohong is not listed as a weapon in Juynboll.
But the Sadop is.
I haven't seen any Javanese, or Sumatran, spear heads shaped as a Sadop blade (compact triangular with straight edges)?
And there is no Metuk on the Sadop [Thanks Alan M for teaching me this important spear detail

]?

On the Keris Majapahit there is a lot of discussion on its original use before it was used as an amulet only.
Maybe we should save that for another thread in the Keris forum?

Just in case I will also mail a collector friend to get his approval to show pictures of the rare Mandau you are referring to. His is the only one I have handled myself.

Michael

Dajak · 10th November 2006, 05:58 PM

Hi Michael the sadap they discribe in junboll has an different handle than yours take a look also in zonnevelds book page 117

I will see if my friend still have his spear

And yes I like to see his mandau

It is always a problem to classify weapons but dayak weapons are just a few
The other ones was taken from the country they came and mixed up with dayak weapons but short daggars where never used by the Iban because
they have no use for it is is an maleier weapon not an dayak weapon
made and used in kalimantan

VVV · 10th November 2006, 09:43 PM

Hi Ben,

I haven't claimed those daggers as attributed to the Iban tribe?

Here is the rare mandau I think you wanted to discuss - the Bayu.
I received these pictures from Karsten Sejr Jensen together with his description intended for this forum of his Bayu (directly translated from Danish to English by me):

The blade is 40 cm and the complete mandau is 59,5 cm.
It originates from Central Borneo (the Kajan/Kenyah tribes).
The handle shows Hiraang Lejau Midaang, a deity from Apua Lagaan, that sends the rice spirits back to Earth so they can unite with the growing rice (attending the rice festivals in the form of a Hudoc mask).
The belt buckle is a temple lobe from a skull.

Kind regards,

Karsten

Battara · 11th November 2006, 06:43 PM

Freaky!

Never seen a mandau blade like before, thank you for posting and clearing up the origin of the other daggers.

Dajak · 12th November 2006, 10:12 AM

Hi Michael this is an very nice mandau the blade is rare but Handle on these
are mostly different like this one,
but it is an very nice rare hard to get blade.

Battara · 12th November 2006, 07:23 PM

And more with the

VVV · 12th November 2006, 07:56 PM

Ben,

Thanks for sharing an additional example of this rare parang.
I agree that the handle of your example looks closer to the illustration in Blink.
It's a pity that the pictures in the Shelford article are so poor.

Michael

10th November 2006, 09:43 PM	#3
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Ben, I haven't claimed those daggers as attributed to the Iban tribe? Here is the rare mandau I think you wanted to discuss - the Bayu. I received these pictures from Karsten Sejr Jensen together with his description intended for this forum of his Bayu (directly translated from Danish to English by me): The blade is 40 cm and the complete mandau is 59,5 cm. It originates from Central Borneo (the Kajan/Kenyah tribes). The handle shows Hiraang Lejau Midaang, a deity from Apua Lagaan, that sends the rice spirits back to Earth so they can unite with the growing rice (attending the rice festivals in the form of a Hudoc mask). The belt buckle is a temple lobe from a skull. Kind regards, Karsten Attached Images

12th November 2006, 10:12 AM	#5
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael this is an very nice mandau the blade is rare but Handle on these are mostly different like this one, but it is an very nice rare hard to get blade. Attached Images

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10th November 2006, 05:58 PM	#2
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael the sadap they discribe in junboll has an different handle than yours take a look also in zonnevelds book page 117 I will see if my friend still have his spear And yes I like to see his mandau It is always a problem to classify weapons but dayak weapons are just a few The other ones was taken from the country they came and mixed up with dayak weapons but short daggars where never used by the Iban because they have no use for it is is an maleier weapon not an dayak weapon made and used in kalimantan

11th November 2006, 06:43 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,282	Freaky! Never seen a mandau blade like before, thank you for posting and clearing up the origin of the other daggers.

12th November 2006, 07:23 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,282	And more with the

12th November 2006, 07:56 PM	#7
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Ben, Thanks for sharing an additional example of this rare parang. I agree that the handle of your example looks closer to the illustration in Blink. It's a pity that the pictures in the Shelford article are so poor. Michael