Keris connaiseurs!

Sommelier · 8th September 2006, 10:06 AM

Please, could you ID this keris. It is real weapon or touristic thing?
The blade is very slim.

Alam Shah · 8th September 2006, 10:28 AM

Looks like a real weapon to me (of the Kodi variety), Javanese Surakarta form.

Marcokeris · 8th September 2006, 03:08 PM

A real weapon also for me (mybe a patrem..)

David · 8th September 2006, 03:44 PM

I doesn't appear to be a "tourist" type keris at all, though it does seem unusually thin at the gonjo (could just be the pictures).
Since we don't have any demensions i am not sure why Marco would suggest this could be a patrem (women's keris).

What are the demensions of this keris.

Alam Shah · 8th September 2006, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

It doesn't appear to be a "tourist" type keris at all, though it does seem unusually thin at the gonjo (could just be the pictures).
Since we don't have any dimensions, i am not sure why Marco would suggest this could be a patrem (women's keris).

What are the dimensions of this keris.

I guess Marco suggested that it's a patrem, due to this blade length is only approx. 2 times the size of the hilt.

David · 8th September 2006, 06:15 PM

Possibly, but given the angle of the shot that might turn out to be a bit deceptive. I guess the true measurements will tell us.

simatua · 10th September 2006, 11:12 AM

A Fairly old keris in my eyes.
based on this photo's:

Its old, and not a tourist piece.
The dress is indeed a surakarta style ( Solo ). Looking at the form and shape.
Although the mendak(ring between the handle and the blade) seems to come from Madura.

With old keris, you can almost never speek of original fittings, but i think it is important that the blade fits good in the sheeth.

The dapur: The name of model of this blade with 3 curves is (according to Tammens) : Lara Sidua,Note that second curve must be in the middle. I cannot good tell from this photo's
The patrorn Welding (pamor) of the blade is good visuable.
The name of this pamor is Kulit semangka ( watermellon skin)

So, a real keris...of course a keris can be used as a weapon, but has developped itself during the centuries as more than that.
The owner who let it make could have other intentions than buying a waepon, for example status symbol or Talisman. But thats a different discussion.

Some more photo's are always welcome
greetings

Alam Shah · 10th September 2006, 12:09 PM

Hi Simatua, it had been quite sometime... since last post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by simatua

Although the mendak(ring between the handle and the blade) seems to come from Madura.

Looks Surakarta to me, mendak Widengan.

Quote:

Originally Posted by simatua

The dapur: The name of model of this blade with 3 curves is (according to Tammens) : Lara Sidua, ...
The name of this pamor is Kulit semangka (watermelon skin)

The dapur does looks like Lara Sidua. Picture is too blurr to determine the pamor. The left side of the blade seems to have straight lines right to the tip of the blade, though.

As simatua said, better picture would help to give more details.

Sommelier · 11th September 2006, 01:49 PM

Lenghth of the blade - 34,8 cm
Lenghth of the hilt - 10 cm
Thikness of the blade at the hilt - 8 mm

Alam Shah · 11th September 2006, 03:20 PM

David, you are correct. A standard sized keris.

Free trip to Bermuda Triangle or Hotel California...

David · 11th September 2006, 03:39 PM

Bermuda Triangle!Hotel California! eh?
.....Hey! You wouldn't be trying to get rid of me now, would you?

Alam Shah · 11th September 2006, 04:24 PM

Lol!

Nay... that would leave me talking to myself.

Seriously, you've got a keen eye for details. Spot on...

Sommelier · 19th September 2006, 08:38 AM

Dear Friends,

One more question.
I'd like to buy this keris but according to russian laws we can not receive such knifes by poste. It will be stopped at custom and canfiscated.
The unique issue is to take it to pieces. But the Seller can not turn off the hilt.
Could you suggest me how to disasseble a keris?

Thanks in advance

A. G. Maisey · 19th September 2006, 09:40 AM

Gentle heat applied to the broad part of the blade, directly in front of the gonjo, while at the same time applying back and forth twisting pressure to the handle will normally loosen a handle.

By "gentle heat" I mean about the level of heat produced by a candle or a small kerosene lamp. The flame will leave soot on the blade, which can be wiped off with mineral turpentine.

If the handle does not loosen up after a while, let it cool down completely, and then try again the following day.

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8th September 2006, 03:08 PM	#3
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	A real weapon also for me (mybe a patrem..)

8th September 2006, 03:44 PM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	I doesn't appear to be a "tourist" type keris at all, though it does seem unusually thin at the gonjo (could just be the pictures). Since we don't have any demensions i am not sure why Marco would suggest this could be a patrem (women's keris). What are the demensions of this keris.

8th September 2006, 06:15 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	Possibly, but given the angle of the shot that might turn out to be a bit deceptive. I guess the true measurements will tell us.

10th September 2006, 11:12 AM	#7
simatua Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 69	A Fairly old keris in my eyes. based on this photo's: Its old, and not a tourist piece. The dress is indeed a surakarta style ( Solo ). Looking at the form and shape. Although the mendak(ring between the handle and the blade) seems to come from Madura. With old keris, you can almost never speek of original fittings, but i think it is important that the blade fits good in the sheeth. The dapur: The name of model of this blade with 3 curves is (according to Tammens) : Lara Sidua,Note that second curve must be in the middle. I cannot good tell from this photo's The patrorn Welding (pamor) of the blade is good visuable. The name of this pamor is Kulit semangka ( watermellon skin) So, a real keris...of course a keris can be used as a weapon, but has developped itself during the centuries as more than that. The owner who let it make could have other intentions than buying a waepon, for example status symbol or Talisman. But thats a different discussion. Some more photo's are always welcome greetings

11th September 2006, 01:49 PM	#9
Sommelier Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Minsk, Byelorussia Posts: 18	Lenghth of the blade - 34,8 cm Lenghth of the hilt - 10 cm Thikness of the blade at the hilt - 8 mm

11th September 2006, 03:20 PM	#10
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	David, you are correct. A standard sized keris. Free trip to Bermuda Triangle or Hotel California...

11th September 2006, 03:39 PM	#11
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	Bermuda Triangle!Hotel California! eh? .....Hey! You wouldn't be trying to get rid of me now, would you?

11th September 2006, 04:24 PM	#12
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Lol! Nay... that would leave me talking to myself. Seriously, you've got a keen eye for details. Spot on...

19th September 2006, 08:38 AM	#13
Sommelier Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Minsk, Byelorussia Posts: 18	Dear Friends, One more question. I'd like to buy this keris but according to russian laws we can not receive such knifes by poste. It will be stopped at custom and canfiscated. The unique issue is to take it to pieces. But the Seller can not turn off the hilt. Could you suggest me how to disasseble a keris? Thanks in advance

19th September 2006, 09:40 AM	#14
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Gentle heat applied to the broad part of the blade, directly in front of the gonjo, while at the same time applying back and forth twisting pressure to the handle will normally loosen a handle. By "gentle heat" I mean about the level of heat produced by a candle or a small kerosene lamp. The flame will leave soot on the blade, which can be wiped off with mineral turpentine. If the handle does not loosen up after a while, let it cool down completely, and then try again the following day.