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Old Yesterday, 09:58 PM   #1
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Default War Club but from Where?

I recently purchased this war club that was listed as being from the South Pacific; I thought maybe Papua New Guinea or there abouts.
When I received it, the chipped handle and the stitched leather made me wonder about its origins.It could be a movie prop, but it is too well made.The handle is one piece,with the stone head inserted through the handle, cemented in with some type of pitch,further secured with some type of organic material like birch, bamboo,etc. strips, that have evidence of insect damage through out the years.
Any opinion would be appreciated.
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That stuff holding the stone in place looks like sinew from the pictures. I did an image search and most of the examples similar to this are attributed as Native American in origin.
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A nice piece, its from the Gran Chaco area of South America (Paraguay/Argentina). Quite scarce.
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Thanks Gentlemen, now I have 2 avenues to follow. After posting this, a collector friend called it a Mohawk Blucher.
Rick, I think you are right that the strappings are sinew.
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Since my last post, I looked up "Gran Chaco War Axe," and there is an almost identical axe, except instead of stone the head is made from the jawbone of a horse.
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Since my last post, I looked up "Gran Chaco War Axe," and there is an almost identical axe, except instead of stone the head is made from the jawbone of a horse.
I think you mean this one?
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You nailed it again Sajen,thanks for the assist! I'll put it with my other war clubs that I previously mistook for South Pacific,lol.I am amazed by the similarity of South Pacific and South American weapons.
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I have no hands-on experience with these, and I'm curious about the attachment to the handle; is the wood split and the stone/bone lashed in? I can't tell from the side views.
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This club is from Peru, not knowing where from in Peru but I have seen old drawings just saying Peru. Like yours showing stitched cured hide.
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Old Today, 05:36 PM   #11
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The haft is not split, but rather a hole has been carved out to accommodate the stone head, then it is cemented in with some type of resin, and then lashed in;it is very firmly secured.
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I am adding this Australian club only because as you yourself having thought the club a prop, when held in the hand you discover how well made it is. Made of materials at hand and knowledge of there uses. Just becuase a man may be naked and illiturate does not mean he makes tools that do not work however simple they appear to us. This Aus club is well balanced, weight and handle form to work smoothly in the hand. If you work with hand tools you know this. When first shown here this club was somewhat ridiculed by those not in the know until I could upload picture of Aus club of the same construction.
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The examples that you have shown are fantastic; if you no longer wish to be ridiculed, I suggest that you send them to me........I will not charge you for the service and I'll even pay the postage!
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