Bichaq but where from...?

[serdar]

Originally Posted by gp

I considered myself lucky to trade this one ( which I believed to be a Balkan one...) for an Ottoman dagger of 47 cm long with a silver scabbard.

The more I look, the more I like it but also the more doubts I have concering the origine...as I never have seen this type of bichaq.

It could as well be not Balkan but Caucasian, Middle East, or even not Ottoman..Asian (India)
Who knows...? ( one of my favourite Jimi Hendrix songs )

But can the forum shed a light'on this ...?
and clear up this poor Cloggy from Holland...?
Have I got something? or ?
not and just a Tourist piece...? being taken for a ride...
although I think it is quite old, looking at the wear, patina and condition of the material

The length is just under 27 cm total.


Your thoughts please! Much obliged!

Let me help you 😁

That is not bičak bichaq, that is a Kama in croato serbian in croatia, serbia, bosnia etc. Kama double edged dagger, it is from 19 century there are 18 century examples, made in Foča in Bosnia, they were allso made in Sarajevo.
They are rarer than bosnian made bichaqs on 500 bichaqs there is one kama aproximately.

Everyone call it a bichaq but in land where it originated and neigbour lands it is called kama.
Even today in croatian weapons law it is under section on cold weapons writen term kama for two edged dagger.

P.s. Screenshot of weapons law.

[gp]

Originally Posted by serdar

Let me help you 😁

…it is from 19 century there are 18 century examples, made in Foča in Bosnia, they were allso made in Sarajevo.
They are rarer than bosnian made bichaqs on 500 bichaqs there is one .

Thanks a lot concerning the determination !
Highly appreciated to have this solved….
Now I can say “vozi Misko”.
= an encouragement from an excellent movie “ ko to tama peva / look who is singing.

in the old times they would say “ loza za muzicar “ to mr. Serdar
( a kind of thanks a lot in the former Yu).
As this makes me a happy man !

[serdar]

Originally Posted by gp

Thanks a lot concerning the determination !
Highly appreciated to have this solved….
Now I can say “vozi Misko”.
= an encouragement from an excellent movie “ ko to tama peva / look who is singing.

in the old times they would say “ loza za muzicar “ to mr. Serdar
( a kind of thanks a lot in the former Yu).
As this makes me a happy man !

No problem, glad to help. 😃👍🏻

[DaveA]

Hi, sorry I missed participating in the hunt!

For future searches, remember there are lots of different ways to spell the name for a knife as well as different names for the same artifact. Search engines are seldom smart enough to look for all the variations.

Here are all the different ways I have seen to spell bichaq:

bıçak, bichaq, bishaq, bichac, pichoq, pichok, pchak, pechak, P’chak

I try to document the ones I find. Here is list on my website with some that might be helpful. Good luck!

https://atkinson-swords.com/nomencla...-equivale.html

[gp]

Originally Posted by DaveA

Hi, sorry I missed participating in the hunt!

For future searches, remember there are lots of different ways to spell the name for a knife as well as different names for the same artifact. Search engines are seldom smart enough to look for all the variations.

Here are all the different ways I have seen to spell bichaq:

bıçak, bichaq, bishaq, bichac, pichoq, pichok, pchak, pechak, P’chak

I try to document the ones I find. Here is list on my website with some that might be helpful. Good luck!

https://atkinson-swords.com/nomencla...-equivale.html

Thank you! Subject to the region, even within a certain country, the name used for a knife or dagger can change, leading sometimes to confussion.

Where one names a knife in the former Yugoslavia sometimes cakija, another would call it kama or noz…..

dagger called kama (Bulgaria, Macedonia) or bodez(Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia), bodalo in Slovenia

And biçak is a knife in Turmenian, where it was the name for a dagger in the Ottoman Empire….

It’s all in the eyes of the beholder it seems here as well

As for some more info historically:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...2&postcount=24


http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...3&postcount=25


http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...2&postcount=26


And for those interested in literature, please scroll down in this link :

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=Books