A Black Watch Scottish Basket Hilt

[M ELEY]

This really is a great example of a Black Watch basket and I've always wanted to add one of these to my collection to represent the many Scots who came to the U.S. and fought with these during the French and Indian War and American Revolution. Many of the Scottish who moved to eastern North Carolina took part in the Battle of Moore's Creek not too far from me. It is said that during the French Indian campaign (ca. 1759-60), the Scots chose to carry their basket hilts and a tomahawk axe as opposed to a musket and bayonet as most of the other troops did.

This pattern is definitely post Culloden, lacking the 'fishtail' decoration and merlons of the earlier baskets and the later post 1750 conical pommel versus the 'mushroom' shaped type from earlier as seen on Jim's example. What a great piece of history you have! Congrats!

[Interested Party]

Originally Posted by M ELEY

This really is a great example of a Black Watch basket and I've always wanted to add one of these to my collection to represent the many Scots who came to the U.S. and fought with these during the French and Indian War and American Revolution. Many of the Scottish who moved to eastern North Carolina took part in the Battle of Moore's Creek not too far from me. It is said that during the French Indian campaign (ca. 1759-60), the Scots chose to carry their basket hilts and a tomahawk axe as opposed to a musket and bayonet as most of the other troops did.

I like this sword. A basket hilt is also on my list, if the right one ever presents itself. Very interesting about the French Indian War. There were also many Scotts on the east slope of the Blue Ridge Mountains. The person Jose Wales was based on was of Scottish decent from down near you (West of Ashville, I believe).

[CSinTX]

Thanks everyone for all the information!

Jim, in reference to- "By 1759, it is noted that it was ordered that swords issued to privates were to be 'lettered and numbered', ("Soldiers in America" Don Troiani), for example (in this case the Highland Regiment 42/A/35) thus
A=first company; 42=Highland Regiment; 35= private #35.

The first company battalions were letters A through K; the second K-Z (?)"

Would you be able to post a picture of this page? If that's not ok, could you possibly send it to me?

I found another reference in this Morphys auction of them being marked but it specifically mentions it being done in New York.

https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/...lot285996.aspx

[CSinTX]

Adding more interest to its past, it appears the crown/ Drury blade marks that are typical have been ground off and removed from mine. It doesnt appear well in pictures but there is an indentation where the marks were on each side. If you look closely, you can see where the fuller gets narrower and shallower and the top ridge wider. All from metal being removed in those areas. Seeing that crown must not have sat well with it's owner at some point in time.

I assume this was probably somewhat common of British marked items?

[CSinTX]

A paper I found on the Scottish regiments during the French and Indian War. Long but LOTS of information. Thought it fit well here as a good resource.

https://thekeep.eiu.edu/cgi/viewcont...context=theses

[Jim McDougall]

As per your request,
From "Soldiers in America 1764-1865", Don Troiani, 1998, p.16.

It does not seem unlikely that a colonist would grind away any reference to the 'Crown', and of course many British weapons became those of the Colonial army during and after the Revolution.

[Jim McDougall]

In reviewing "Scottish Swords from the Battlefield at Culloden", Lord Archibald Campbell, 1894.....reprinted Andrew Mowbray, 1971.

I noted that it is suggested that two of these munitions grade hilts may have been among those of the 190 swords retrieved on the Culloden field. (p.22)

On p.10, (Mowbray)"...around 1740, Drury, Jeffries, Harvey and perhaps others accepted contracts from the English government to produce swords of the Highland pattern".
These are described as cheap, but serviceable blade stamped with GR and crown, in rough approximation of Glasgow styling. ...."it is almost certain that Campbell was referring to two of these blades being among his Culloden group".

Campbell acquired about 137 blades which had been fashioned into a travesty of a fence on an English estate, comprised of the blades of the Jacobite swords recovered from Culloden. This 'Twickenham' disgrace had dismounted the blades, which were of the varied forms of Solingen blades including ANDREA FERARAS.

It would seem possible that these two basket hilts of English munitions grade might have been in Jacobite hands, thus the defaced royal cyphers.
There were basket hilts in simpler forms like this with the various Highland units formed by the British army as early as 1709.
The Black Watch from about 1740 (then known as 43rd).

While "Swords for the Highland Regiments" (A. Darling, 1988) suggests these tall cone pommel munitions grade basket hilts were likely from a contract of 1759 from unnamed contractor, but Jeffries comes up c1768 or before.

The example I have is with the familiar hilt, but unmarked. It has been refitted in its working life with a M1788 light cavalry saber blade. This is likely from after these were returned to stores when the infantry ceased carrying swords in 1784. While there is no certainty of how this amalgamation took place, I have seen only one other example (Pat Tougher, 1994) with another I cannot specifically recall.
While interesting, it is unfortunate as without the original blade cannot determine more on dates etc.