Discovered pirate coins might solve mystery...Arrgh!

Rick · 6th April 2021, 02:39 AM

Remember that the Indian Ocean was a favorite hunting ground of many pirates including the memorable Captain Kidd (see attached) and the pirate Thomas Tew among others.
One thing that they seem to have had in common is that they were fond of frequenting the coast of America in their travels and Madagascar when cruising the Indian ocean.
It would be interesting to know if any Muslim coinage was found on the site of the wreck of Whidah Galley.

Jim McDougall · 6th April 2021, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Remember that the Indian Ocean was a favorite hunting ground of many pirates including the memorable Captain Kidd (see attached) and the pirate Thomas Tew among others.
One thing that they seem to have had in common is that they were fond of frequenting the coast of America in their travels and Madagascar when cruising the Indian ocean.
It would be interesting to know if any Muslim coinage was found on the site of the wreck of Whidah Galley.

Very well noted Rick! in fact the very downfall of Captain Kidd came about as a result of his transgressing against the relations between England and India by preying on the lucrative Mughal ships and their treasure. In his case, the document ( a French letter concerning the voyage of the vessel) which would have saved him from execution was remarkably discovered in 1911!

I do not recall Muslim coins found on the Whydah, and not sure if Black Sam Bellamy was in those waters frequented by the India vessels, however trade involves networking, so anything is possible. Most of coinage as far as I have known was from South America etc. but as with many wrecks, more is always being found.

Rick · 7th April 2021, 12:43 AM

I have wondered how the Innkeepers of our coastal taverns figured sums with so many different coins from all over the world passing through their cashbox.
Who set the value of silver and gold coinage back in those days. Figuring exchange rates must have been, interesting.

Jim McDougall · 7th April 2021, 07:01 PM

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I have wondered how the Innkeepers of our coastal taverns figured sums with so many different coins from all over the world passing through their cashbox.
Who set the value of silver and gold coinage back in those days. Figuring exchange rates must have been, interesting.

I think thats a very good question!!
From most of what I have understood there was a certain common parlance concerning most currencies which were prevalent, and the 'thaler' was considered viable as well as the Spanish coins (pieces of 8). Aside from that, mostly the 'currency of the realm' prevailed, and the American colonies were of course British, so British currency was standard.

With these 'exotic' coins, unless they were of precious metal, they might only have been taken as a novelty sort of in a trade sense. Trade and barter were typically used means of currency as well.

Rick · 15th April 2021, 04:15 AM

A friend of mine used to be the resident Mason on the PBS This Old House television show; he was my neighbor in Eastham and an avid bottle digger/relic hunter; back in the day many of us were similarly inclined as the Outer Cape was settled very early in our nation's history.
He did a lot of relic hunting in Wellfleet; we all did back then.

In the late 17th century there was a tavern on the highest part of Great Island which borders Wellfleet harbor; all that's left there is a cellar hole, and it is barely more than a depression now. Back in the time when the tavern was active the hilltop had been cleared; the view of Cape Cod Bay must have been spectacular and a very good place to view any vessels coming and going offshore.
Poking around the spot one day he spied a tiny coin in a sandy patch; it turned out to be a French Henry IV 1/4 Ecu that had been drilled, quite possibly to identify the owner of a livestock animal back in those days.
Now there are only two usable harbors on the bayside of the Outer Cape, Provincetown which is a very open anchorage and Wellfleet harbor which is a very snug place to anchor. All kinds of mariners frequented that tavern and it is not much of a stretch of the imagination to think that Bellamy and his crew were among the clientele.

shayde78 · 24th April 2021, 04:24 PM

https://www.livescience.com/pirate-h...iscovered.html

Stumbled across this article and thought it sounded familiar, having read this thread. Thought I'd park it here as an addition account of this interesting find.

M ELEY · 27th April 2021, 05:27 AM

Thanks for linking this up. It does have some more details and hopefully, this article will still be good in the years to come.

6th April 2021, 02:39 AM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Yo Ho Remember that the Indian Ocean was a favorite hunting ground of many pirates including the memorable Captain Kidd (see attached) and the pirate Thomas Tew among others. One thing that they seem to have had in common is that they were fond of frequenting the coast of America in their travels and Madagascar when cruising the Indian ocean. It would be interesting to know if any Muslim coinage was found on the site of the wreck of Whidah Galley. Attached Images

15th April 2021, 04:15 AM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	A Remembrance of Coinage A friend of mine used to be the resident Mason on the PBS This Old House television show; he was my neighbor in Eastham and an avid bottle digger/relic hunter; back in the day many of us were similarly inclined as the Outer Cape was settled very early in our nation's history. He did a lot of relic hunting in Wellfleet; we all did back then. In the late 17th century there was a tavern on the highest part of Great Island which borders Wellfleet harbor; all that's left there is a cellar hole, and it is barely more than a depression now. Back in the time when the tavern was active the hilltop had been cleared; the view of Cape Cod Bay must have been spectacular and a very good place to view any vessels coming and going offshore. Poking around the spot one day he spied a tiny coin in a sandy patch; it turned out to be a French Henry IV 1/4 Ecu that had been drilled, quite possibly to identify the owner of a livestock animal back in those days. Now there are only two usable harbors on the bayside of the Outer Cape, Provincetown which is a very open anchorage and Wellfleet harbor which is a very snug place to anchor. All kinds of mariners frequented that tavern and it is not much of a stretch of the imagination to think that Bellamy and his crew were among the clientele. Last edited by Rick; 15th April 2021 at 04:48 AM.

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7th April 2021, 12:43 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	I have wondered how the Innkeepers of our coastal taverns figured sums with so many different coins from all over the world passing through their cashbox. Who set the value of silver and gold coinage back in those days. Figuring exchange rates must have been, interesting.

24th April 2021, 04:24 PM	#6
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 445	https://www.livescience.com/pirate-h...iscovered.html Stumbled across this article and thought it sounded familiar, having read this thread. Thought I'd park it here as an addition account of this interesting find.

27th April 2021, 05:27 AM	#7
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,206	Thanks for linking this up. It does have some more details and hopefully, this article will still be good in the years to come.