Khanda,what is it?

Jens Nordlunde · 21st May 2006, 09:30 PM

Ariel, that you have an old tulwar with faint spurs of reinforcement does not proof anything, when it comes to this sword – tulwars did not, normally as far as I know have reinforcements.

Tim, the scabbards is so far of ‘no’ interest, and your postulation 'that there is no reason why this is not a weapon put together in the late 19th century for display purposes, as the use of such weapons became more anachronistic', is only a postulate.

ariel · 21st May 2006, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Ariel, that you have an old tulwar with faint spurs of reinforcement does not proof anything, when it comes to this sword – tulwars did not, normally as far as I know have reinforcements.

Tim, the scabbards is so far of ‘no’ interest, and your postulation 'that there is no reason why this is not a weapon put together in the late 19th century for display purposes, as the use of such weapons became more anachronistic', is only a postulate.

Jens,
I know tulwars do not have reinforcements. But a tulwar's blade with a hole and an imprint must have been a part of a sword with reinforcements at some time in its career. That's all.
Proves only one thing: not every remount is a proof of recent "forgery". But we have known it before....

William.m · 21st May 2006, 10:24 PM

Hi guys,

Okay firstly in my opinion I believe that this is indeed an old blade, but has been recently buffed and sharpened. It is quite obvious that the blade has been sharpened and buffed while the blade was still attached to the hilt. This is because you can see where the polish stops just above the guard, and also the sharpening of the blade is very different when you get down to the guard where the style is different.

Also at the bottom of the blade the metal has a dark patina. Secondly the fuller is very shallow and dissipears in some areas, making me belive that the blade was overpolished even more. Adding to this, I can see the two cresent design at least six times on the blade, although one some it is very faint as too much metal has been removed. If you want I can put up some pictures of this.

In answer to a question, the cresent designs are all up near the top of the blade. In the first picture you can see it if you look carefully.

Anyways tomorrow if the weather is good I will give the blade a light acid wash, though there is no need to worry as I have done this before.

Thanks for all the info so far, keep them posts coming in !

Regards,
will

William.m · 22nd May 2006, 11:48 AM

Ladies and Gents, we have Wootz steel !!!

I have been etching the sword this morning using a solution of warm vinigar and soap, and in the steel there is a nice grain showing up. I have checked around on reference sites and this does look like wootz steel so far. Ill post some pictures up later on once I have have finished the etch and cleaned up the blade.

Regards,

Will

William.m · 22nd May 2006, 01:09 PM

Okay here we go, Firstly a close up of the blade showing wootz steel. The other pictures are of the many many cresent designs all over the blade.

Jens Nordlunde · 22nd May 2006, 02:20 PM

Ariel, your tulwar sounds like a bit of a puzzle, but it is true, like you write, that not all the swords we see, where the blades and hilts don’t seem to fit, were brought together recently, many of them were brought together a long time ago.

Will, congratulations with the etching, it looks fine to me. Is the pattern dark or light? It is hard to see on the picture.

William.m · 25th May 2006, 05:29 PM

Hello again!

Okay I gave the sword another light wash this morning and here are the results. Now that we know that the blade is made from wootz steel, is there anything else you can tell me about the possible history of this blade, as I would love to know! Cheers!

ariel · 25th May 2006, 09:07 PM

I like the results of your etching process.
Can you give step-by-step recipe?

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21st May 2006, 09:30 PM	#1
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Ariel, that you have an old tulwar with faint spurs of reinforcement does not proof anything, when it comes to this sword – tulwars did not, normally as far as I know have reinforcements. Tim, the scabbards is so far of ‘no’ interest, and your postulation 'that there is no reason why this is not a weapon put together in the late 19th century for display purposes, as the use of such weapons became more anachronistic', is only a postulate.

21st May 2006, 10:24 PM	#3
William.m Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: England Posts: 104	Hi guys, Okay firstly in my opinion I believe that this is indeed an old blade, but has been recently buffed and sharpened. It is quite obvious that the blade has been sharpened and buffed while the blade was still attached to the hilt. This is because you can see where the polish stops just above the guard, and also the sharpening of the blade is very different when you get down to the guard where the style is different. Also at the bottom of the blade the metal has a dark patina. Secondly the fuller is very shallow and dissipears in some areas, making me belive that the blade was overpolished even more. Adding to this, I can see the two cresent design at least six times on the blade, although one some it is very faint as too much metal has been removed. If you want I can put up some pictures of this. In answer to a question, the cresent designs are all up near the top of the blade. In the first picture you can see it if you look carefully. Anyways tomorrow if the weather is good I will give the blade a light acid wash, though there is no need to worry as I have done this before. Thanks for all the info so far, keep them posts coming in ! Regards, will

22nd May 2006, 11:48 AM	#4
William.m Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: England Posts: 104	Ladies and Gents, we have Wootz steel !!! I have been etching the sword this morning using a solution of warm vinigar and soap, and in the steel there is a nice grain showing up. I have checked around on reference sites and this does look like wootz steel so far. Ill post some pictures up later on once I have have finished the etch and cleaned up the blade. Regards, Will

22nd May 2006, 01:09 PM	#5
William.m Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: England Posts: 104	Okay here we go, Firstly a close up of the blade showing wootz steel. The other pictures are of the many many cresent designs all over the blade.

22nd May 2006, 02:20 PM	#6
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Ariel, your tulwar sounds like a bit of a puzzle, but it is true, like you write, that not all the swords we see, where the blades and hilts don’t seem to fit, were brought together recently, many of them were brought together a long time ago. Will, congratulations with the etching, it looks fine to me. Is the pattern dark or light? It is hard to see on the picture.

25th May 2006, 05:29 PM	#7
William.m Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: England Posts: 104	Hello again! Okay I gave the sword another light wash this morning and here are the results. Now that we know that the blade is made from wootz steel, is there anything else you can tell me about the possible history of this blade, as I would love to know! Cheers!

25th May 2006, 09:07 PM	#8
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I like the results of your etching process. Can you give step-by-step recipe?