Pesh Kabz - Afghanistan or Bukhara

Jens Nordlunde · 29th March 2020, 04:44 PM

Perhaps this link can help http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=Moser :-).

TVV · 29th March 2020, 06:19 PM

Gentlemen,

Thank you for your answers and comments. Per Kubur's request, here is a picture of the spine.

Teodor

ariel · 29th March 2020, 08:09 PM

Teodor,
This peshkabz might be quite old: one scale replaced, the rhino one has repairs ( multiple rivets). I ‘d not be surprised if it dated to 18th century.
I was intrigued by the earlier statement about the size of the rivets because of Flindt’s statement. I have handled quite a few supposedly Central Asian peshkabzes with simple wooden handles and seemingly large rivets about 6-8 mm in diameter. All of them in fact had regular size rivets with washers around them or just sat in the middle of larger shallow indentations of that size covered with some materiel ( most often mother-of -pearl). We can see it on your pesh’s handle on one of the lower rivets with a missing cover. The idea of 6-8 mm rivets doesn’t make sense to me: it would require 6-8 mm holes in the tang, side by side in the upper and lower rows, significantly weakening it.

I might be wrong but would love to see examples with solid rivets of that size.

ariel · 29th March 2020, 08:35 PM

I went through the links to our 2005 discussions

Gosh, how much have we learned since....

kronckew · 29th March 2020, 10:46 PM

Is that a forging fold line on the spine?

ariel · 29th March 2020, 11:03 PM

Doesn't look like it: seems like just a carved channel.

TVV · 30th March 2020, 06:45 AM

I can confirm that the spine has an intentionally carved channel.

29th March 2020, 06:19 PM	#2
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29th March 2020, 04:44 PM	#1
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Perhaps this link can help http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=Moser :-).

29th March 2020, 08:09 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Teodor, This peshkabz might be quite old: one scale replaced, the rhino one has repairs ( multiple rivets). I ‘d not be surprised if it dated to 18th century. I was intrigued by the earlier statement about the size of the rivets because of Flindt’s statement. I have handled quite a few supposedly Central Asian peshkabzes with simple wooden handles and seemingly large rivets about 6-8 mm in diameter. All of them in fact had regular size rivets with washers around them or just sat in the middle of larger shallow indentations of that size covered with some materiel ( most often mother-of -pearl). We can see it on your pesh’s handle on one of the lower rivets with a missing cover. The idea of 6-8 mm rivets doesn’t make sense to me: it would require 6-8 mm holes in the tang, side by side in the upper and lower rows, significantly weakening it. I might be wrong but would love to see examples with solid rivets of that size.

29th March 2020, 08:35 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I went through the links to our 2005 discussions Gosh, how much have we learned since....

29th March 2020, 10:46 PM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	Is that a forging fold line on the spine?

29th March 2020, 11:03 PM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Doesn't look like it: seems like just a carved channel.

30th March 2020, 06:45 AM	#7
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,722	I can confirm that the spine has an intentionally carved channel.