17th century Low countries crossbow with windlass

Lansquenet59 · 19th February 2020, 08:20 PM

Hi ,

It is very beautiful . Is it a reproduction or original? Can someone say more?

corrado26 · 20th February 2020, 07:32 AM

I think that this is very nice original with exception of the ropes which certainly have been replaced

cornelistromp · 20th February 2020, 07:51 AM

an authentic Target crossbow with so called English windlass with spoked wheels , the Nethelands first half - Mid 18th Century.

are there any marks on the bow? bull's head or rooster with stars.

best,
Jasper

attached one from my collection.

Lansquenet59 · 20th February 2020, 10:38 AM

Is it more military or for hunting?

cornelistromp · 20th February 2020, 01:21 PM

neither

this target crossbow is for practicing, on a crossbow shooting range.
Those shooting ranges (Doelen) stems from the training grounds for the dutch militia. probably founded in the 14thc onwards.

Militia/civic guards as seen on Rembrandt's masterpiece the night watch.
There were seperate Doelen for crossbows, for the longbow archery, and for matchlock firearms/muskets.

These civic guards were established probably between the 11th and 13th centuriy. The first archers' guilds "sheltered" the bourgeoisie, but their duties were later expanded with the defense of walls and canals.

From the 16th century the guild lost its military function, but it continued to exist as a relaxation shooting club for the elite.

best,
Jasper

corrado26 · 20th February 2020, 02:24 PM

............and here a further piece of the Netherlands
corrado26

Marcus den toom · 20th February 2020, 02:47 PM

Thank you all so much, its an even more interesting piece than my own research had panned out.
No markings as far as i can decern.
Does anyone know what rope would be best to replace this flimsy one?

And though i believe you (Jasper) on the dating i am curious to know the (stylistic) differences between a 17and 18th century bow of this type.

fernando · 20th February 2020, 02:58 PM

Marcus, you may as well visit the Königlichen Niederländischen Armeemuseum, which is not far your neighborhood

.
Quite a few examples there ... and a comprehensive catalog in the bookshop

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20th February 2020, 07:51 AM	#3
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	an authentic Target crossbow with so called English windlass with spoked wheels , the Nethelands first half - Mid 18th Century. are there any marks on the bow? bull's head or rooster with stars. best, Jasper attached one from my collection. Attached Images

20th February 2020, 01:21 PM	#5
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	neither this target crossbow is for practicing, on a crossbow shooting range. Those shooting ranges (Doelen) stems from the training grounds for the dutch militia. probably founded in the 14thc onwards. Militia/civic guards as seen on Rembrandt's masterpiece the night watch. There were seperate Doelen for crossbows, for the longbow archery, and for matchlock firearms/muskets. These civic guards were established probably between the 11th and 13th centuriy. The first archers' guilds "sheltered" the bourgeoisie, but their duties were later expanded with the defense of walls and canals. From the 16th century the guild lost its military function, but it continued to exist as a relaxation shooting club for the elite. best, Jasper Last edited by cornelistromp; 20th February 2020 at 01:36 PM.

20th February 2020, 02:24 PM	#6
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,237	............and here a further piece of the Netherlands corrado26 Attached Images

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19th February 2020, 08:20 PM	#1
Lansquenet59 Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: France Posts: 132	Hi , It is very beautiful . Is it a reproduction or original? Can someone say more?

20th February 2020, 07:32 AM	#2
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,237	I think that this is very nice original with exception of the ropes which certainly have been replaced

20th February 2020, 10:38 AM	#4
Lansquenet59 Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: France Posts: 132	Is it more military or for hunting?

20th February 2020, 02:47 PM	#7
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	Thank you all so much, its an even more interesting piece than my own research had panned out. No markings as far as i can decern. Does anyone know what rope would be best to replace this flimsy one? And though i believe you (Jasper) on the dating i am curious to know the (stylistic) differences between a 17and 18th century bow of this type.

20th February 2020, 02:58 PM	#8
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Marcus, you may as well visit the Königlichen Niederländischen Armeemuseum, which is not far your neighborhood . Quite a few examples there ... and a comprehensive catalog in the bookshop .