Comment?

[Bill M]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Jean, possibly Gustav is under some restriction on publication. I have photos, in fact many photos, of keris that when I obtained those photos I was placed under a vow that I would never permit anybody else to look at them, and I, myself, could only look at them on a moonless night with the lights out.

Not everybody appreciates having the world look at the things for which they have responsibility.

I agree and follow the same personal restrictions.

[Jean]

Originally Posted by Bill M

I agree and follow the same personal restrictions.

I agree provided that:
. The kris is not under my ownership and I have no formal authorization from the owner to show it.
. Or the kris is really too valuable (or for another valid reason) to be openly displayed.
But I believe that if you start showing part of it, it is not fair not to show it fully as it is frustrating for the other members.
Regards

[David]

Originally Posted by Jean

But I believe that if you start showing part of it, it is not fair not to show it fully as it is frustrating for the other members.

Jean, i'm sure such small moments of frustration will quickly pass for the unfulfilled. But i would never mandate that any member need show any more or less of any keris they have under their custody than they are willing to show, no matter what their reasoning. I would like to thank Gustav for showing us as much of the blade as he felt he could. It is telling of the craft of such a blade that it can make itself understood viewing only this much of the blade.

[Jean]

Originally Posted by David

Jean, i'm sure such small moments of frustration will quickly pass for the unfulfilled. But i would never mandate that any member need show any more or less of any keris they have under their custody than they are willing to show, no matter what their reasoning. I would like to thank Gustav for showing us as much of the blade as he felt he could. It is telling of the craft of such a blade that it can make itself understood viewing only this much of the blade.

Thank you David, and I understand your point although it is not my philosophy.
I take this opportunity to inform the members that I will soon publish a new book about kris hilts showing about 250 pieces, those of you who are interested to get a copy can PM me in order to better estimate how many I should print.
Regards

[Marcokeris]

Originally Posted by Jean

Thank you David, and I understand your point although it is not my philosophy.
I take this opportunity to inform the members that I will soon publish a new book about kris hilts showing about 250 pieces, those of you who are interested to get a copy can PM me in order to better estimate how many I should print.
Regards

I am interested Jean

[Bill M]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

I am interested Jean

I am also interested in keris hilts. I think posting these do not violate the privacy of the keris as the hilts are often shown when a keris is worn by its owner so the Public can see that part.

On many of my keris the greneng can be different than the pamor so that the pamor of the blade is not visible by the public. Here is one of my Balinese.
I guess that showing the overall dress is appropriate.

[A. G. Maisey]

I have been intending to enter this post with images since Gustav made available the image of a part of the Jayasukadgo, but I kept forgetting to do it.

The images I have posted are from Haryoguritno's book "Keris Jawa", probably the most definitive work on the Javanese keris that we have seen.

We believe that the way in which a genuine empu cuts his greneng, and most especially his ron dha is more or less his signature to his work, and that it does not vary. Thus, the ron dha is the indicator of the empu who has made the keris.

Compare the Jayasukadgo ron dha images that I have posted with the ron dha that we find on the keris that is attributed to Jayasukadgo in the image that Gustav has posted.

Are they the same?

The word "same" in this context does not mean "similar", it means "identical".

The variation in spelling of Jayasukadgo's name is due to the observance of differing conventions, neither spelling is correct, neither spelling is incorrect, both are an approximation.