French/Belgium percussion pistol

Snowman · 20th October 2018, 04:08 PM

Good evening!

here aree some photos of on percussion pistol.

It is about 33cm long and bore is about 18mm.

But can anyone tell more-how old it perhaps is
and is it French or Belgian?

Any manufactures marks I didn't find-but
something on barrel looks like number?

And other things too..?

regards Markku

Fernando K · 21st October 2018, 12:54 AM

Hello

For me, it is ina falsification ..... despite the engravings .... the hammer looks like a shotgun ... and the barrel, despite being of two orders (remember the Spanish barrel, surely it lacks some test punch ...

Affectionately

Snowman · 25th October 2018, 03:36 PM

Hi all!

Perhaps that is fake-I really don't know-but to me has been told that this perhaps is a modified flintlock?

regards Markku

fernando · 25th October 2018, 08:02 PM

I guess you are right Markku, in that the lock looks like having been converted from flintlock.

Fernando K · 26th October 2018, 12:53 PM

Hello

Of course, I differ. There is nothing on the plate that indicates that it is a transformation. The screw holes of the frizzen spring and the frizzen should be visible, conveniently covered. In addition, the decoration, the line of the border follows this, and the decoration with scrolls invades areas where supposedly should be the frizzen spring, usually without decoration. Also, it is strange the shape of the pump or massacre, to fix the chimney

Affectionately

Fernando K · 26th October 2018, 09:10 PM

Hello

I would like to see an image of the inside of the lock

Affectionately

kahnjar1 · 26th October 2018, 09:28 PM

Hi Markku,
Interesting pistol but I lean towards Fernando Ks suggestion of (not a fake) but perhaps a "put together" piece.
The hammer does not appear to strike the nipple on the flat, but appears to strike at about 45degrees, which would not be normal. This could well be because the hammer is a replacement, and the throw is wrong.
Also to me the stock shape does not seem to suit, particularly at the butt end, and the barrel tang does not fit properly.
As far as Proof, and other marks are concerned, have you had a look UNDER the barrel, which is the most likely place (though not always) for them to be.
Stu

Snowman · 27th October 2018, 07:51 AM

Hi!

Here some photos more..

regards Markku

kahnjar1 · 27th October 2018, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowman

Hi!

Here some photos more..

regards Markku

Hi Markku,
Pic of under the barrel not clear enough to show if there are marks or not. Are there any?
Stu

Snowman · 27th October 2018, 10:38 AM

Hi Stu!

Sorry-I didn't find any marks...

regards Markku

Snowman · 27th October 2018, 12:02 PM

...This text is on barrel.

reg. Markku

Fernando K · 27th October 2018, 04:13 PM

Hello

Now that I have seen the photograph inside the lock, I correct my observation. Effectively the lock has been primitively of flint and the bowl has been eliminated and the upper part of the plate has been removed by filing, although the engraving has been done after the transformation. The hammer is from a shotgun, and the inscription does not say anything, it is only a simulation of writing, common in weapons produced in the East.

Affectionately

kahnjar1 · 27th October 2018, 10:42 PM

Hi Markku,
Despite the fact that it is probably an "eastern" pistol, rather than French/Belgian, IMHO it is still a nice and interesting piece.
Regards Stu

Snowman · 28th October 2018, 07:20 AM

Thanks for all!

Would be nice to know how far from "east" this one
is?

But no problem-pistol still looks nice hanging on wall!

regards Markku

20th October 2018, 04:08 PM	#1
Snowman Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 37	French/Belgium percussion pistol Good evening! here aree some photos of on percussion pistol. It is about 33cm long and bore is about 18mm. But can anyone tell more-how old it perhaps is and is it French or Belgian? Any manufactures marks I didn't find-but something on barrel looks like number? And other things too..? regards Markku Attached Images

27th October 2018, 07:51 AM	#8
Snowman Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 37	Pistol Hi! Here some photos more.. regards Markku Attached Images

27th October 2018, 12:02 PM	#11
Snowman Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 37	...This text is on barrel. reg. Markku Attached Images

28th October 2018, 07:20 AM	#14
Snowman Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 37	Pistol Thanks for all! Would be nice to know how far from "east" this one is? But no problem-pistol still looks nice hanging on wall! regards Markku

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21st October 2018, 12:54 AM	#2
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 672	Hello For me, it is ina falsification ..... despite the engravings .... the hammer looks like a shotgun ... and the barrel, despite being of two orders (remember the Spanish barrel, surely it lacks some test punch ... Affectionately

25th October 2018, 03:36 PM	#3
Snowman Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 37	Hi all! Perhaps that is fake-I really don't know-but to me has been told that this perhaps is a modified flintlock? regards Markku

25th October 2018, 08:02 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I guess you are right Markku, in that the lock looks like having been converted from flintlock.

26th October 2018, 12:53 PM	#5
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 672	Hello Of course, I differ. There is nothing on the plate that indicates that it is a transformation. The screw holes of the frizzen spring and the frizzen should be visible, conveniently covered. In addition, the decoration, the line of the border follows this, and the decoration with scrolls invades areas where supposedly should be the frizzen spring, usually without decoration. Also, it is strange the shape of the pump or massacre, to fix the chimney Affectionately

26th October 2018, 09:10 PM	#6
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 672	Hello I would like to see an image of the inside of the lock Affectionately

26th October 2018, 09:28 PM	#7
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,811	Hi Markku, Interesting pistol but I lean towards Fernando Ks suggestion of (not a fake) but perhaps a "put together" piece. The hammer does not appear to strike the nipple on the flat, but appears to strike at about 45degrees, which would not be normal. This could well be because the hammer is a replacement, and the throw is wrong. Also to me the stock shape does not seem to suit, particularly at the butt end, and the barrel tang does not fit properly. As far as Proof, and other marks are concerned, have you had a look UNDER the barrel, which is the most likely place (though not always) for them to be. Stu

27th October 2018, 10:38 AM	#10
Snowman Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 37	Hi Stu! Sorry-I didn't find any marks... regards Markku

27th October 2018, 04:13 PM	#12
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 672	Hello Now that I have seen the photograph inside the lock, I correct my observation. Effectively the lock has been primitively of flint and the bowl has been eliminated and the upper part of the plate has been removed by filing, although the engraving has been done after the transformation. The hammer is from a shotgun, and the inscription does not say anything, it is only a simulation of writing, common in weapons produced in the East. Affectionately

27th October 2018, 10:42 PM	#13
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,811	Hi Markku, Despite the fact that it is probably an "eastern" pistol, rather than French/Belgian, IMHO it is still a nice and interesting piece. Regards Stu