Do you think this is a Majapahit keris?

David · 15th July 2018, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

May we know why your friends believe that this is a Majapahit kris?

I would love to know the answer to this as well. If you are going to give such an assessment on a blade that assessment should be defendable with good reason. Does the blade show specific indicators that would allow us to place it as a Mojopahit blade. To my eye it seems to fail on a few key points. If the gonjo has been replaced we can't tell much there, but that very pronounced pesi is the first red flag for me. Also, as Jean has pointed out, i am not sure i have ever seen a kembang kacang that is bungkem in a Mojo keris before. These days folks with very little real background just want to place any old blade in the Mojopahit category. It's a great selling point if you can convince your buying it is true.

A. G. Maisey · 15th July 2018, 11:33 PM

A question:-

when we ask "is this a Majapahit blade"

exactly what do we mean?

Anthony G. · 16th July 2018, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

A question:-

when we ask "is this a Majapahit blade"

exactly what do we mean?

Hi Alan

A very simple but good question.

My humble point of view is, "Is this keris made during the Majapahit era, empire?"

A. G. Maisey · 16th July 2018, 06:56 AM

Actually Anthony, this is a very difficult question, and any answer to it could argued ad infinitum.

However, your response to my question is simple and straightforward, as is my response to you:-

absolutely, definitely not.

Anthony G. · 16th July 2018, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Actually Anthony, this is a very difficult question, and any answer to it could argued ad infinitum.

However, your response to my question is simple and straightforward, as is my response to you:-

absolutely, definitely not.

Hi Alan

Thank you for your reply and advice. I also think it is not made in Majapahit era -keris. Most likely Balinese keris in 17/18th century.

A. G. Maisey · 16th July 2018, 09:57 AM

Yes Anthony, probably Balinese, but I doubt 1600's.

It is really difficult to get too precise about actual age on the basis of even excellent photos, and these photos are not excellent, based upon what I believe I can see the best I can do is before 1900, probably after 1750.

Green · 16th July 2018, 12:41 PM

i'm trying to learn (about javanese keris) here. Ok so, it is not majapahit... but is this considered a GOOD keris? i know 'good' is subjective... but can it be considered a high quality keris based on the shape, pamor and etc...

my first instinct is to say.. greneng don't look too good... the rest i can't say much...

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15th July 2018, 11:33 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,135	A question:- when we ask "is this a Majapahit blade" exactly what do we mean?

16th July 2018, 06:56 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,135	Actually Anthony, this is a very difficult question, and any answer to it could argued ad infinitum. However, your response to my question is simple and straightforward, as is my response to you:- absolutely, definitely not.

16th July 2018, 09:57 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,135	Yes Anthony, probably Balinese, but I doubt 1600's. It is really difficult to get too precise about actual age on the basis of even excellent photos, and these photos are not excellent, based upon what I believe I can see the best I can do is before 1900, probably after 1750.

16th July 2018, 12:41 PM	#7
Green Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Malaysia Posts: 327	i'm trying to learn (about javanese keris) here. Ok so, it is not majapahit... but is this considered a GOOD keris? i know 'good' is subjective... but can it be considered a high quality keris based on the shape, pamor and etc... my first instinct is to say.. greneng don't look too good... the rest i can't say much...