Keris Solo for identification

Bjorn · 2nd July 2018, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

One of the established standards for top class dress combination is that the hilt should be at least a little bit darker than the atasan of the wrongko.

Hi Alan, do you happen to know if the same is customary in Yogya as well?

Bjorn · 2nd July 2018, 08:07 PM

I was looking up something in Jensen's Krisdisk just now, and happened to stumble across the below pic. If the ensemble is entirely authentic, it seems to suggest that in Yogyakarta it may not have been a custom to have a jejeran be of a darker colour than that of the wrongko.
Of course, this is a sample of only 1, so we really can't extrapolate with any certainty from only this photo.

A. G. Maisey · 2nd July 2018, 10:13 PM

Sorry Bjorn, I do not know the standards that apply amongst the Jogja elites.

Bjorn · 3rd July 2018, 08:33 PM

No worries, Alan.

I had actually noticed that Solo keris often have an ukiran that is darker than the wrongko, but I didn't know this was a custom or informal rule.

In future, I'll be more conscious of the colour combinations when looking at Yogya keris.

Bjorn · 4th July 2018, 10:27 AM

On the topic of ivory dress, I happened to come across the below ensemble in a book I was browsing through.
According to the caption it was a gift from Hamengkubuwono VIII to Queen Wilhelmina in 1923.

No doubt this piece was meant for display only, as there would have been absolutely no occasion for this keris to be worn in any setting.

A. G. Maisey · 4th July 2018, 12:53 PM

What we are looking at here Bjorn has not the smallest thing to do with the keris as an item of dress.

Javanese people, commoners as well as kings, were and are in the habit of gifting a keris to a person with whom they desire to form a strong bond. The gift of a keris forms that bond and encapsulates the binding power of the Naga Basuki (Vasuki).

I guess that Queen Wilhelmina might not have been aware of the implications from a Javanese point of view when she accepted the gift.

Jean · 4th July 2018, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bjorn

On the topic of ivory dress, I happened to come across the below ensemble in a book I was browsing through.
According to the caption it was a gift from Hamengkubuwono VIII to Queen Wilhelmina in 1923.

No doubt this piece was meant for display only, as there would have been absolutely no occasion for this keris to be worn in any setting.

The pendok is reversed?

What a shame for a royal kris!

Marcokeris · 4th July 2018, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

The pendok is reversed?

Yes

2nd July 2018, 08:07 PM	#2
Bjorn Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 188	I was looking up something in Jensen's Krisdisk just now, and happened to stumble across the below pic. If the ensemble is entirely authentic, it seems to suggest that in Yogyakarta it may not have been a custom to have a jejeran be of a darker colour than that of the wrongko. Of course, this is a sample of only 1, so we really can't extrapolate with any certainty from only this photo. Attached Images

4th July 2018, 10:27 AM	#5
Bjorn Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 188	On the topic of ivory dress, I happened to come across the below ensemble in a book I was browsing through. According to the caption it was a gift from Hamengkubuwono VIII to Queen Wilhelmina in 1923. No doubt this piece was meant for display only, as there would have been absolutely no occasion for this keris to be worn in any setting. Attached Images

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2nd July 2018, 10:13 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,019	Sorry Bjorn, I do not know the standards that apply amongst the Jogja elites.

3rd July 2018, 08:33 PM	#4
Bjorn Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 188	No worries, Alan. I had actually noticed that Solo keris often have an ukiran that is darker than the wrongko, but I didn't know this was a custom or informal rule. In future, I'll be more conscious of the colour combinations when looking at Yogya keris.

4th July 2018, 12:53 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,019	What we are looking at here Bjorn has not the smallest thing to do with the keris as an item of dress. Javanese people, commoners as well as kings, were and are in the habit of gifting a keris to a person with whom they desire to form a strong bond. The gift of a keris forms that bond and encapsulates the binding power of the Naga Basuki (Vasuki). I guess that Queen Wilhelmina might not have been aware of the implications from a Javanese point of view when she accepted the gift.