weapon i needed to see for my self jaipur

Edward F · 25th March 2018, 09:16 PM

Took a short trip to Jaipur albert hall museum just to see one weapon on display its been called several different names I'm going to call it a war pick any other term I think is wrong. Heavy item weapons grade not ceremonial.the one war pic is at the museum the other 2 in my collection.

Mercenary · 26th March 2018, 08:58 PM

I would like to be wrong, but such items were made in great numbers in 19-20th century for sale to Europeans... They are not weapons.

Victrix · 26th March 2018, 09:47 PM

In Europe similar weapons were used in medieaval times. It’s a form of war hammer with an armour piercing pick. In German the ”fist” ones are called Dolchstreitkolben or daggermace literally translated into the English language.

See this link with a discussion: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15532

Treeslicer · 26th March 2018, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercenary

I would like to be wrong, but such items were made in great numbers in 19-20th century for sale to Europeans... They are not weapons.

Interesting. Make a nice addition to the under-the-seat-collection in my pickup anyway. What's a more common name for them that one can Google? What are they called in India (yes, I read the card in photo, but "pharsa" is just "axe")?

Edit-- Ahhh, thanks, Victrix.

Edward F · 27th March 2018, 02:09 AM

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shayde78 · 27th March 2018, 04:05 AM

Are the fists threaded onto the shafts?
I had occasion to pick one up, but the threaded head made me think it to be modern... I could well have been wrong.

Mercenary · 27th March 2018, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Treeslicer

Interesting. Make a nice addition to the under-the-seat-collection in my pickup anyway. What's a more common name for them that one can Google? What are they called in India (yes, I read the card in photo, but "pharsa" is just "axe")?

Edit-- Ahhh, thanks, Victrix.

There are not original hindu names as well as historical images. Indian ascetics did not use such tool too, not as a weapon and not as a crutch.

BBJW · 27th March 2018, 05:09 PM

These are decorative pieces. When they were actually weapons they were called a 'zagnal' or 'zaghnal'. -bbjw

Treeslicer · 27th March 2018, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BBJW

These are decorative pieces. When they were actually weapons they were called a 'zagnal' or 'zaghnal'. -bbjw

"Zaghnal" pulls up a number of examples. Thanks.

Edward F · 30th March 2018, 10:48 PM

Pics just posted I consider to be Zaghnol'sthe 2nd is a crutch I don't consider the war pick either zaghnol or crutch.Are the war picks weapons that were used I don't know all I'm saying they are heavy somewhat well balanced and would give a devastating blow,just in the way the haft ends with the bulbus bottom you could give a great blow without it slipping,sorry but I'm not willing to test my thoughts on a piece of wood.the first war pick does unscrew at fist to reveal a hidden spike the other does not.You cant go by museum card I have been told by museum curators in india they just display the items they don't know much and rarely can answer questions.and yes it does resemble the german one.im not sure how common these war picks are if they were sold to Europeans I have not seen many.

25th March 2018, 09:16 PM	#1
Edward F Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 54	weapon i needed to see for my self jaipur Took a short trip to Jaipur albert hall museum just to see one weapon on display its been called several different names I'm going to call it a war pick any other term I think is wrong. Heavy item weapons grade not ceremonial.the one war pic is at the museum the other 2 in my collection. Attached Images

27th March 2018, 02:09 AM	#5
Edward F Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 54	#9 Attached Images

30th March 2018, 10:48 PM	#10
Edward F Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 54	Pics just posted I consider to be Zaghnol'sthe 2nd is a crutch I don't consider the war pick either zaghnol or crutch.Are the war picks weapons that were used I don't know all I'm saying they are heavy somewhat well balanced and would give a devastating blow,just in the way the haft ends with the bulbus bottom you could give a great blow without it slipping,sorry but I'm not willing to test my thoughts on a piece of wood.the first war pick does unscrew at fist to reveal a hidden spike the other does not.You cant go by museum card I have been told by museum curators in india they just display the items they don't know much and rarely can answer questions.and yes it does resemble the german one.im not sure how common these war picks are if they were sold to Europeans I have not seen many. Attached Images

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26th March 2018, 08:58 PM	#2
Mercenary Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 430	I would like to be wrong, but such items were made in great numbers in 19-20th century for sale to Europeans... They are not weapons.

26th March 2018, 09:47 PM	#3
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 763	In Europe similar weapons were used in medieaval times. It’s a form of war hammer with an armour piercing pick. In German the ”fist” ones are called Dolchstreitkolben or daggermace literally translated into the English language. See this link with a discussion: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15532

27th March 2018, 04:05 AM	#6
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 445	Are the fists threaded onto the shafts? I had occasion to pick one up, but the threaded head made me think it to be modern... I could well have been wrong.

27th March 2018, 05:09 PM	#8
BBJW Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Idaho, USA Posts: 230	These are decorative pieces. When they were actually weapons they were called a 'zagnal' or 'zaghnal'. -bbjw