Balkan/Ottoman flintlock pistol for ID and comment

rickystl · 28th January 2018, 02:57 PM

For those interested, here are some clean photos of this lock.

Rick

Kubur · 28th January 2018, 04:29 PM

Nice pistols! and nice lock Rick!

I would like to add that most of these locks were engraved
with clouds and wind, symbols that you can find on some blades too...

rickystl · 29th January 2018, 01:44 AM

Hi Kubur

I've often wondered if this paticular style of lock, wheather pistol or long gun size, was made in just a couple of maybe large shops somewhere in the Balkans. With the exception of various engraving, they are all almost identical in construction.
While still not equal to the better European miquelet locks, from shooting experience these locks are reliable and have good timing. Better than the other Ottoman/Balkan style locks. This must be at least one of the reasons this lock shows up on so many different Eastern style guns.

Rick

cyten · 9th November 2022, 12:19 PM

According to the Historical Museum of Serbia and "The First Serbian Uprising and the Restoration of the Serbian State" by Ljiljana Stanojević, these pistols are called Ledenica or Celina (with round butts, im unsure of the name of the rat tail guns)

serdar · 16th May 2023, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyten

According to the Historical Museum of Serbia and "The First Serbian Uprising and the Restoration of the Serbian State" by Ljiljana Stanojević, these pistols are called Ledenica or Celina (with round butts, im unsure of the name of the rat tail guns)

Actualy Ledenica is pistol made from silver and no wood, only full silver cast with deep groves, beautiful pistol, there is allso variant that is gold plated it is called Zlatka, and albanian rat tailed pistol is called Šilja.
Brass pistol with rounded butt is greek pistol, it has no special name in Balkan, only Kubura.
Cheers.

cyten · 25th May 2023, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by serdar

Actualy Ledenica is pistol made from silver and no wood, only full silver cast with deep groves, beautiful pistol, there is allso variant that is gold plated it is called Zlatka, and albanian rat tailed pistol is called Šilja.
Brass pistol with rounded butt is greek pistol, it has no special name in Balkan, only Kubura.
Cheers.

Thank you for the clarification, always welcome new information

28th January 2018, 02:57 PM	#1
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,632	For those interested, here are some clean photos of this lock. Rick Attached Images

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Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Nice pistols! and nice lock Rick! I would like to add that most of these locks were engraved with clouds and wind, symbols that you can find on some blades too... Attached Images

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29th January 2018, 01:44 AM	#3
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,632	Hi Kubur I've often wondered if this paticular style of lock, wheather pistol or long gun size, was made in just a couple of maybe large shops somewhere in the Balkans. With the exception of various engraving, they are all almost identical in construction. While still not equal to the better European miquelet locks, from shooting experience these locks are reliable and have good timing. Better than the other Ottoman/Balkan style locks. This must be at least one of the reasons this lock shows up on so many different Eastern style guns. Rick

9th November 2022, 12:19 PM	#4
cyten Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Caucasus Posts: 94	According to the Historical Museum of Serbia and "The First Serbian Uprising and the Restoration of the Serbian State" by Ljiljana Stanojević, these pistols are called Ledenica or Celina (with round butts, im unsure of the name of the rat tail guns)