An Unsusal Curved Flyssa sword

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by estcrh

So how many curved blade flyssa would you have to see before you change your mind? I think that in the case of flyssa you have to treat them much like yatagan, if the maker meant it to be a flyssa then it is a flyssa.

Exactly my conclusion. I assume you missed it as it is in the PS pf my previous posting.

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Exactly my conclusion. I assume you missed it as it is in the PS pf my previous posting.

Sorry about that, your right, I did not see this.

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

PS: But then... if we can have a "Yatagan with straight blade" based on the same logic we can also have a "Flyssa with curved blade"... and here I am defeated by my own argument.

[rickystl]

Hi Estcrh.

Hey! Thanks for posting my Flyssa knife in your Post #4 above. LOL
While primarily interested in the guns, every once in a while I see a blade that interests me at the moment. So I purchased it from Artzi. Shown here again with a smaller, straight blade for comparison of size.

Charles: That is a really nice looking blade. And the scabbard looks great. Nice piece.

Rick

[kronckew]

...and thanks for posting my two in post 13, saves me the trouble. the curved one has a blade thickness very close to the straight one and is very sharp.

i'd say a 'flyssa' is any blade made and decorated in traditional tribal designs and materials by the ifllissen peoples of north west africa. normally charicterised by decorative brass covering on hilts and traditional geometric engravings and brass inlays on the blade, with distinctive and traditional geometric patterned carved wood scabbards.

grip, blade, scabbard. all iflissen = flyssa - whatever shape.
nimcha grip, blade, iflissen scabbard= nimcha with an iflissen scabbard
nimcha with an iflissan blade and generic european style scabbard is a nimcha with a flyssa blade.

and so on ad nauseum.

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by kronckew

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grip, blade, scabbard. all iflissen = flyssa - whatever shape.

OK
You can add flyssa sword, flyssa dagger...

nimcha grip, blade, iflissen scabbard= nimcha with an iflissen scabbard

OK

nimcha with an iflissan blade and generic european style scabbard is a nimcha with a flyssa blade.

NO
just an abomination of mother nature!

[kronckew]

Originally Posted by Kubur

well, maybe not an abomination, just a 'marriage' not made in heaven....

i also would have set the blade further back to have the heel supported better.

and found a more appropriate scabbard. i'll be kind and assume a european captured it w/o a scabbard, liked it, and used what he had to hand. or some dealer tarted it up willy-nilly since...

[ariel]

Well, I would join the side of " authenticity" here.
Algeria and Morocco are next door neighbors, and no man or tribe required a visa to move a bit to the east or two bits to the west. Thus a mix of traditional examples from different localities should not be surprising and, moreover, should be almost expected.
Moreover, unlike regulation European swords that had government-dictated construction, including the smallest screw on the handle, those were hand-made, hammered out by tiny provincial or tribal workshops, without any restrictions or written orders from the " Gtreat Above". Suffice it to look at classical nimchas and flissas: I doubt we will ever be able to find two absolutely identical ones. Blacksmiths made what the buyer ordered: configuration, size, decorative elements etc.


My 5 cents.

[kronckew]

Originally Posted by kronckew

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I also would have set the blade further back to have the heel supported better....

Resurrection.


Just won this two foot Kaybele/Iflyssan sabre & scabbard.
(Billed as an 'Eastern Sword with a well carved scabbard)


This one seems to swell at the blade root entry into the guard/grip, perfect for reinforcing the area for a slashing weapon.